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Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but he also adds: "Currently Iran is just the result of what happens if conservative fundamentals got ahold of the government of a country." Well, not all can be explained by "conservative fundamentals getting ahold of the government". This amounts to "their people are really like us, it's their government that's bad". There EXIST people/populations/countries that are conservative/unlike Americans in general, a…

> What exactly is specifically bad about the Iranian government that other countries have not already did, including the US? Did you notice that Libya, Tunisia and Egypt already had a popular revolution, and that Syria is still having one? Would you have said, 12 months ago, that the majority of Tunisians, Egyptians and Libyans WANT to live like they do, and RESPECT their country's ideals? If not, why not? and why is…

The problem here is that all those countries are going to wind up with the same exact problems that started all this (no jobs, no real freedom, corrupt government, etc).

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Why not jam the military signal and spoof the civilian one?

It uses spread spectrum transmission, which is resistant to jamming unless you know the secret key.

Resistent to accidental jamming, but jamming a broad range of frequencies would easily jam it, wouldn't it?

That might require more hardware, but it do not think it require superior technology.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but he also adds: "Currently Iran is just the result of what happens if conservative fundamentals got ahold of the government of a country." Well, not all can be explained by "conservative fundamentals getting ahold of the government". This amounts to "their people are really like us, it's their government that's bad". There EXIST people/populations/countries that are conservative/unlike Americans in general, a…

When people talk about Iran it's more about the things that are, by any definition, wrong, than their traditional or religious choice. You simply cannot, in any modern society, discriminate against someone because it happens to be a woman, or throw stone at someone until they die because you didn't like his opinion. You can defend ideals, you cannot defend barbarism. Some of the things these people do (and others in…

"""When people talk about Iran it's more about the things that are, by any definition, wrong, than their traditional or religious choice. """

Actually, people weren't talking that much about Iran before --it's just because it happens to be the current target, so western media plays Iran a lot.

It's also for the same reason why people DON'T talk about Saudi Arabia, which is 10 times worse in those aspects than Iran --but since it's an ally, it doesn't get played unfavorably much, if at all.

Now, what are things that are "by any definition wrong"? Who gives the definition? Let's see your examples:

"""You simply cannot, in any modern society, discriminate against someone because it happens to be a woman, or throw stone at someone until they die because you didn't like his opinion."""

In the US 50 years ago there was prevalent racism against black people (heck, there were hotels/restaurants etc not accepting them as customers).

Was that civilized? No. So, would another country be justified to say, bomb the US and topple the government to pass laws to change that? I say, no, the people of the US would have to do it themselves (as they eventually did). So, why should it be different for any other country?

And who says that all countries should get to the same level of "civilization" at the same time?

For example, besides abolishing slavery earlier, tons of countries had women voting much earlier than the US did. And tons of countries have abolished the death penalty already.

You say "you simply cannot, in any modern society throw (a) stone at someone until they die because you didn't like his opinion".

And I say, that in modern societies like the one I live, you simply cannot execute anyone AT ALL, whatever he said or did. It's unacceptable. When is the US going to come around to this one? And how is stoning worse than the (horrible) electric chair or the (disgusting) gas chamber?

Still, americans have the right to do those things (to one another), if that's what their society wants and believes in. People are not justified to call them "evil" because of that, nor to try to topple their government. The same should hold true for any practice of any SOVEREIGN nation.

I don't even care if they are cannibals in country X, let them do what the f... they want. No one should dictate how other societies should live.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people talk about Iran it's more about the things that are, by any definition, wrong, than their traditional or religious choice. You simply cannot, in any modern society, discriminate against someone because it happens to be a woman, or throw stone at someone until they die because you didn't like his opinion. You can defend ideals, you cannot defend barbarism. Some of the things these people do (and others in…

When people talk about Iran it's more about the things that are, by any definition, wrong Why? It's not by the definition of wrong of those Iranians. Where does that objective standard come from? Don't get me wrong, I'm all of helping (in not very intrusive ways) the westernized Iranians steer their country in their direction, but that's just because I like those ideals and notion of right and wrong, not because they…

> Why? It's not by the definition of wrong of those Iranians. Where does that objective standard come from?

That's a large debate on its own (read up on John Stuart Mill for instance) but essentially you're arguing for a philosophy called relativism, the end of which is that there's nothing objectively right...

On the other hand that would mean that the U.S. is justified in however they treat Iran, since they're nothing objectively wrong either. Sometimes you really can't have your cake and eat too.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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I have some conjecture based on some prior knowledge/connections.. First the info: Phil Zimmermann has a company working on Secure VOIP. I was contacted past 18 months ago to build the android mobile client. Project never lifted off due to some large distraction and the excuses I was given never matched up to reality. I submit because of Phil's connections to other RSA inventors and break-ins that occurred in the pas…

Even if this is still just a rumour, this is quite a bombshell story! :-O

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but he also adds: "Currently Iran is just the result of what happens if conservative fundamentals got ahold of the government of a country." Well, not all can be explained by "conservative fundamentals getting ahold of the government". This amounts to "their people are really like us, it's their government that's bad". There EXIST people/populations/countries that are conservative/unlike Americans in general, a…

While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like. Quite frankly, visit iran and see for yourself. A word of advice though: if you happen to be a woman, I would recommend taking my word for granted instead. Just my advice.

"""While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like."""

You don't get to judge Iran as "bad in general" by your standards, though.

You only get to judge Iran as "bad for you", by your standards.

If you want to judge Iran as "bad in general", you'd have to also show that the people of Iran don't want to live like they do.

Because if they DO want to live like they do (which I assure you it's the case in general), then there's nothing bad about Iran. They just live in a way that you happen to disagree with.

They never came to tell you how to live YOUR life, though.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but he also adds: "Currently Iran is just the result of what happens if conservative fundamentals got ahold of the government of a country." Well, not all can be explained by "conservative fundamentals getting ahold of the government". This amounts to "their people are really like us, it's their government that's bad". There EXIST people/populations/countries that are conservative/unlike Americans in general, a…

> a few hundred idiots with tweeter accounts and blogs a few hundred?? rly? idiots??? http://vimeo.com/2232226

I was talking about the showcases "celebrated" by the western media.

And "http://vimeo.com/2232226? Really?

This is coarse-grained propaganda, if I ever saw one!

As a commenter on Boing Boing says:

"""Yeah IMO stories like this one are useful in preparing the public's psych & emotions for the upcoming US "let's display bi-partisan foreign policy" demonstration...in other words, for Obama & his Secdef Gates' planned attack on Iran. Any secret special US Forces ops going on right now? Or are your "journalists" doing their "patriotic duty" by looking away, to enable another War? How do you distinguish between those Iranians it's OK for the USA to attack or maim or kill and those who aren't? Are only employees and civil servants of the State of Iran and those who actively oppose US control/diktaat over Iranian domestic policy "fair game"? Or is it only those Iranians who happen to live in Iran ? Or those opposed to the views of "freedom-loving" Iranians living in foreign exile? I think the USA/Western media should STFU about Iran, and and instead direct their efforts at getting NATO and the US Armed Forces to immediately stop killing Asians. This would show their humanitarianism, if not their usefulness...."""

Designed to let the viewer with the impression that those blogs support toppling the government, changing their way of life etc. It basically uses the notion of having a blog as axiomatically meaning that.

Have you read a lot of those actual blogs, not just the selected few celebrated in our media?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/06/16/are-you-ready-for-war...

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but he also adds: "Currently Iran is just the result of what happens if conservative fundamentals got ahold of the government of a country." Well, not all can be explained by "conservative fundamentals getting ahold of the government". This amounts to "their people are really like us, it's their government that's bad". There EXIST people/populations/countries that are conservative/unlike Americans in general, a…

> What exactly is specifically bad about the Iranian government that other countries have not already did, including the US? Did you notice that Libya, Tunisia and Egypt already had a popular revolution, and that Syria is still having one? Would you have said, 12 months ago, that the majority of Tunisians, Egyptians and Libyans WANT to live like they do, and RESPECT their country's ideals? If not, why not? and why is…

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Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like. Quite frankly, visit iran and see for yourself. A word of advice though: if you happen to be a woman, I would recommend taking my word for granted instead. Just my advice.

"""While I agree with you, your last paragraph is just non sense. What's specifically bad? Honestly, if you ask this question you're shouting out that you have no idea what today's iran (or most of the muslim countries) are like.""" You don't get to judge Iran as "bad in general" by your standards, though. You only get to judge Iran as "bad for you", by your standards. If you want to judge Iran as "bad in general", y…

I'm sorry, if I'm Iranian myself does your reply still applies? Just wondering.

I'm tired of this political correctness, it's so 90's. But it will take more than a couple of downvotes to shut me up. This "everybody has the right to their way of living" is getting old and stupid. Have you ever visited Iran? I find it interesting that when I talk about this subject with people from muslim countries, they understand me very well and mostly agree with me, while most westerns prefer to paint everything with fairy-tale colors and say that they are 'tolerant' to every culture.

Anyway, your comment is almost semantically null. Why wouldn't it be obvious that anyone's judgement has whatever credibility you want to give it? Furthermore, By assuming that everything is subjective you're basically stating that you won't dare to stand for any opinion of yours.

Re: Drone captured by Iran may mean military GPS RSA "red key" has been compromised

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a few hundred idiots with tweeter accounts and blogs a few hundred?? rly? idiots??? http://vimeo.com/2232226

I was talking about the showcases "celebrated" by the western media. And " http://vimeo.com/2232226 ? Really? This is coarse-grained propaganda, if I ever saw one! As a commenter on Boing Boing says: """ Yeah IMO stories like this one are useful in preparing the public's psych & emotions for the upcoming US "let's display bi-partisan foreign policy" demonstration...in other words, for Obama & his Secdef Gates' planne…

> Have you read a lot of those actual blogs, not just the selected few celebrated in our media?

I read books about Iran, watch Iranian cinema, and in a few days I'm hopefully getting my visa, so I couldn't care less about comments on boingboing or propaganda in American media, as my subject of interest exceeds their international affairs. But I know what's your point (from the previous post), and we probably share a common view on that, I was just a bit surprised you put a label on activism that they're idiots, just because mainstream media selectively presents only information targetted at idiots. And the video was just to illustrate the numbers of online activity from Iranians, nothing else.

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