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The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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> It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same and just because it was open before doesn’t mean that was ever intended or expected to be permanent. On the flip side, there's also an interpretation under which passports (and possibly visas) were not intended or expected to be permanent: https://fee.org/articles/passports-were-a-temporary-war-meas... This article quotes various delegates to international conventi…

>not quite sure how to reconcile this with inspections of migrants around the turn of the 20th century, even if those were more focused on public health and stuff More than public health. Every single migrant who came through Ellis Island and other US border stations had to * Pass said public health examinations * Prove, to the satisfaction of inspectors, of disaffiliation with a variety of subversive organizations/i…

So I'm kind of confused about who was and wasn't inspected. Was the inspection only for people intending to remain permanently or intending to start a naturalization process? Was this based on what travelers said their intentions were, or the kind of transportation they used, or something else?

My intuition is that someone coming as a tourist, for instance, wouldn't have been subject to this level of inspection. But I also suppose that was much rarer at the beginning of the 20th century than today.

(I also don't know what happened at the land borders in prior centuries.)

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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International borders are much more complicated. For example a Canadian citizen couldn't work on the US side without a visa and vice versa.

What if their house straddles the border, and they work from home? Are they not allowed to have their computer in one side of the house? Who monitors this?

Technically they would probably have to be dual citizens, or a citizen of one country and permanent resident of the other, to not break laws. And then they'd have to file taxes in both countries.

No idea if it's enforced, but if it were, it would probably be such a pain that people would just stop buying/building houses that straddle the border. Why complicate things unnecessarily with a house split between two countries when you can just buy a house that is (like most houses) entirely in one country?

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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Is it that the US residents are chauvinistic, or that the Canadians are embarrassed?

Also people identify less with Canadian iconography in Quebec.

What’s the most Canadian-flag-waving part of the country (if any)?

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Also people identify less with Canadian iconography in Quebec.

What’s the most Canadian-flag-waving part of the country (if any)?

I would say likely Ontario, and specifically the Ottawa capital region. Though, since the Convoy, waving a Canadian Flag has taken on a Conservative/right wing/populist connotation that I think is still around today, so it may be shifting in the direction of Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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> It could be argued from a "leftist" position (whatever that means nowadays) that: it's mostly working class people that need to compete with immigrants. If the immigrants are undocumented or very poor, they are more likely to tolerate lower wages and unsafe working conditions, meaning that I (if I was a working class American) would have less negotiating power when it comes to my wages and work conditions, as there…

It might feel like a cosmetic nitpicking, but if I say they are "stealing our jobs", I'm blaming and vilifying the immigrants without wanting to understand their reasons for coming here and the unfortunate situation they are in. On the other hand, my ability to negotiate with the powerful owner class is strongly reduced if there are people that are willing to be exploited or simply don't have another choice due to th…

I love Bernie but he was also running for president of the United States and this forced him to have a somewhat centrist position from a global perspective. He only seems lefty to us because he genuinely cares about labor, health care, and free education. But in many places this platform is not particularly leftist.

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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one piece that is omitted from this is how the border is enforced. From the looks of it, unless you’re looking at becoming employed here they don’t really check your citizenship. That’s a win in my book. Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport (only nation with that privilege if I recall correctly) and now you can’t. I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the D…

> I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the DOH wanted to close the loop hole, without any real evidence it was a cause of issues After 9/11 there were (false) rumours (spread by US Congressmen IIRC) that some terrorists entered the US via Canada. Even though that was shown to be false the stigma remained and I think it was a big part of the reason for the changes. There were a lot of people in border tow…

The Millennium bomber was cited as one of the reasons. This was pre 9/11.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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one piece that is omitted from this is how the border is enforced. From the looks of it, unless you’re looking at becoming employed here they don’t really check your citizenship. That’s a win in my book. Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport (only nation with that privilege if I recall correctly) and now you can’t. I recall no real good reasoning for it other than the D…

> Reminds me that when I was a kid you could travel to / from Canada without a passport I assume you mean the era of your childhood, but, Canadian and American children can go back and forth between the US and Canada without passports, provided it’s a land crossing. So to be pedantic, as a kid you can still travel to/from Canada without a passport.

You still need your birth certificate or citizenship card. https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1280?language=en_US

Re: The US-Canada border cuts through the Haskell Free Library and Opera House

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You mean all the things just as hard to get as a passport, some invented specifically to be used for this new program? Sure, I guess you could get one of those instead. But there's no reason to get one of them rather than a passport except as a fig leaf for people to say a passport "isn't mandatory". Or, and bear with me for a second, we could have kept freedoms we had on September 10th, 2001.

It’s far easier to get an EDL than to get a passport, what are you talking about? We never had Schengen. Almost every other country has similar entry requirements, why should the US and Canada be any different? They’re not in a far-reaching political alliance, there’s no incentive to have open borders or provide exceptions to rules. 9/11 changed things. It’s absurd to expect things to always be the same and just beca…

At least in BC, EDLs have been phased out :(
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