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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by grishka » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:38 PM UTC

mrzool wrote: post #18

9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

I envy you for all your languages using Latin-based alphabets. I guess I'm stuck with two keyboard layouts for life because I need to be able to type in both Latin and Cyrillic.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by c7b » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:39 PM UTC

mrzool wrote: post #18

9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

For various reasons, I've been switching both in hardware and software between two different QWERTY (US and UK) and two non-English keyboard layouts for years (usually, I'll have multiple keyboard layouts configured, but I'll generally go with the one that is actually printed on the keys unless I really need a different one).

The funny thing is that for all the getting used to different layouts, the one thing that really trips me up all the time is the different hand positioning for Control+C on Mac vs PC. Luckily, you can change the modifier key bindings in MacOS independently from the keyboard layout. But yeah, shortcuts that assume everyone has a / or whatever key are a pain too.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:40 PM UTC

nier wrote: post #86

mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

That’s quite memorable. On the Mac I have to press option-u and then a, u, or o to get an ä, ü, or ö. Optionally holding the shift key to get an uppercase vowel with the diacritic. option-` is for grave (è) option-i is for circumflex (é) option-n is for eñe (ñ) option-c is for cédille (ç) When you called QWERTZ an abomination I simply had to upvote your comment.

I used to be pretty good at those but now I just use the feature that works (almost) everywhere in Mac OS and iPhone - press and hold the character to get a little pop-up of options: møøśę

It's slow if you have to type in another language, but in English it's fast "enough" for words like résumé.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by grishka » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:40 PM UTC

jorge-d wrote: post #29

WA wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

On a mac keyboard you can just long-press?

This kind of thing usually only works in native apps that use NSTextView for text input, which is unfortunately not all of them.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by usrusr » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

mynameisvlad wrote: post #55

ClassyJacket wrote: post #21

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English. Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji. Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face. Meta's Facebook Messenger d…

IIRC, Teams supports Markdown-style code, either `single line` or ``` multi line ```

Truly a joy on German keyboards where ` is a dead key that makes the system wait for an e, or an a to receive that accent and certain OS don't come with a nodeadkeys alternative keyboard map. I often find myself with the ` in the copy/paste buffer when worrying code-heavy markdown because pasting is so much easier...

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:42 PM UTC

kayodelycaon wrote: post #88

jorge-d wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On a mac keyboard you can just long-press?

I've never had that work reliably for me, across three completely different Mac installs. :/

It works in "most places" but not in others (like (some) terminals, for example).

    defaults write -g ApplePressAndHoldEnabled -bool true

Might help if it got turned off.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by grishka » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:43 PM UTC

9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

A very common bug is people confusing key codes (the raw codes for the physical keys on the keyboard) and characters (what they type). This "works" when you use the QWERTY layout, but completely breaks when it's something else, like ЙЦУКЕН.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by bombcar » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:46 PM UTC

TremendousJudge wrote: post #60

bombcar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this is super, super common. Even where you have things like CTRL + X/C/V for cut/copy/paste it's clear that the letters were picked to be near each other - but then often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other. This can be one of the reasons that switching to Dvorak can be super hard, all the shortcuts become quite weird unless you remap them each…

Some go as far as translating shortcuts, which I dislike even more. In Spanish Windows, copy is CTRL + C ( copiar ), but paste is... CTRL + P ( pegar )

Reminds me of a US tap in Mexico I saw once - the installer obviously decided C must be for caliente which meant the H should be hielo.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by DonHopkins » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:48 PM UTC

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #30

ClassyJacket wrote: post #21

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English. Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji. Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face. Meta's Facebook Messenger d…

My way of getting around the emoji conversions from ':)' to a smiley face is typing it in reverse: '(:' or '):'.

Plus then you can stick out your tongue like this: c(: c):

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by Symbiote » Mon, Nov 14, 2022, 6:49 PM UTC

jorge-d wrote: post #29

WA wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

On a mac keyboard you can just long-press?

That's fine if you live elsewhere and type your Danish colleague Lærke's name once in a while, but if you speak a language using non-ASCII characters it feels rather slow to long-press every few characters.

> Danmark, officielt Kongeriget Danmark, er et land i Skandinavien og en suveræn stat. Det er den sydligste af de skandinaviske nationer, sydvest for Sverige og syd for Norge, og det grænser op til Tyskland mod syd. Grønland og Færøerne indgår også i den danske stat som rigsdele med selvstyre indenfor Danmarks Rige (Danmarks forhold til rigsdelene kaldes Rigsfællesskabet).

Eight Æ+Ø+Å in 382 characters.