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The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by nells »

9dev wrote: post #19
nells wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people of other countries didn’t want American bias in their systems they should’ve made their own and made them better than American ones are.

If American businesses wanted the money of people from other countries, they should've made their systems internationally accessible. I mean, seriously, what kind of antiquated statement is that? Do you actually want to keep geographical borders to persist to the internet, or work towards lower barriers for everyone..?

> If American businesses wanted the money of people from other countries, they should've made their systems internationally accessible.

They haven’t and they got the money anyway.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by mrzool »

AndriyKunitsyn wrote: post #47
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

It may work for you, but there are users of languages that simply cannot be covered by QWERTY, and in these cases they would like from developers to simply fix their goddamn code, and bind to keys, not characters.

You are correct. It works for me.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by TheRealPomax »

rodelrod wrote: post #44

This space before the colon and other marks in French should actually be a narrow non-breaking space (U+202F) [0]. There's no key for it in the AZERTY layout. This has been a problem since the typewriter age. People having to get on with their jobs coped with it by using a full, breaking em-space. Unless this gets replaced automatically by the word processor, you get horrid typography and misplaced line breaks all ov…

This sounds like it's not actually true? If it was, the French code page 646 that we used until Unicode finally won would have included a narrow space, but it doesn't. "Regular" computer text in French has only ever used a normal space, even if handwriting and/or "true" typesetting using typesetting solutions like TeX or PageMaker etc. allowed for a narrow space.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by rodelrod »

Aissen wrote: post #42

Typographic nerd: technically, you should you use a non-breaking space (espace insécable) before colons in french. Doing that does not show the popup. Wait, what do you mean your keyboard layout does not have it? Keyboard layout nerd: you should use a keymap that has it. Like AFNOR's latest AZERTY or BÉPO. Historical nerd: traditionally wordprocessors have auto-inserted non-breaking spaces before colons, why should I…

A narrow non-breaking space, please.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by mynameisvlad »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #21

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English. Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji. Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face. Meta's Facebook Messenger d…

IIRC, Teams supports Markdown-style code, either `single line` or

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multi

line

```

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by homonculus1 »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #30
ClassyJacket wrote: post #21

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English. Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji. Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face. Meta's Facebook Messenger d…

My way of getting around the emoji conversions from ':)' to a smiley face is typing it in reverse: '(:' or '):'.

But I'm not left-handed!

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by Aissen »

rodelrod wrote: post #54
Aissen wrote: post #42

Typographic nerd: technically, you should you use a non-breaking space (espace insécable) before colons in french. Doing that does not show the popup. Wait, what do you mean your keyboard layout does not have it? Keyboard layout nerd: you should use a keymap that has it. Like AFNOR's latest AZERTY or BÉPO. Historical nerd: traditionally wordprocessors have auto-inserted non-breaking spaces before colons, why should I…

A narrow non-breaking space, please.

Of course, sorry.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by myself248 »

WA wrote: post #23
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Personally I use a compose-key on Linux and Wincompose on Windows, with SyncThing to keep my .XCompose file synchronized between machines when I add a custom sequence.

I mapped my Caps-Lock key as Compose, so I hit compose-a-" to get ä, and so on through the set. I've made customs for Ω and µ since I use those a lot and couldn't remember their default sequences. It's handy having ® and ™ on tap as well, and I get typographical niceties like ­— and … vs - and ...

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by Asraelite »

rpadovani wrote: post #33
WA wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Personally, I don't. I live in Muenchen, not München. When strictly needed, CTRL+C/CTRL+V from a Google search makes the trick. When writing email/docs, autocorrector for the win. Same thing in Italian: `e instead of è. Although, the German replacement is cleaner, I'd say.

You might want to consider using a keyboard layout that supports diacritics. I use UK Extended Winkeys for example, where I can do AltGr+[ followed by a letter to get it with a diaeresis, allowing me to type äöü. It supports almost every European language character.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by TremendousJudge »

bombcar wrote: post #5
9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

Stuff like this is super, super common. Even where you have things like CTRL + X/C/V for cut/copy/paste it's clear that the letters were picked to be near each other - but then often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other. This can be one of the reasons that switching to Dvorak can be super hard, all the shortcuts become quite weird unless you remap them each…

Some go as far as translating shortcuts, which I dislike even more. In Spanish Windows, copy is CTRL + C (copiar), but paste is... CTRL + P (pegar)
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