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The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by ClassyJacket »

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English.

Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji.

Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face.

Meta's Facebook Messenger doesn't allow those forbidden strings either. Meta's WhatsApp mobile does, but WhatsApp web does not.

My phone has an emoji picker if I want an emoji. I don't want what I type or paste replaced with an emoji. Anywhere. Ever. This practice should stop.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by bombcar »

jefftk wrote: post #12
bombcar wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this is super, super common. Even where you have things like CTRL + X/C/V for cut/copy/paste it's clear that the letters were picked to be near each other - but then often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other. This can be one of the reasons that switching to Dvorak can be super hard, all the shortcuts become quite weird unless you remap them each…

9ev: pressing the key where American layouts have a slash will [open the search box] bombcar: often the shortcuts will remain the same even on keyboards where those keys are nowhere near each other You're objecting to opposite things: you don't like that the shortcuts stayed with the same symbols instead of staying with the physical key, and 9ev the other way around. (And also 9ev is objecting to misleading documenta…

Yeah - and balancing the two is something often entirely overlooked and people stuck with the problem have to learn the options and try to determine “is this key the character or the key (in a US layout)”.

Issues like this are why often people just give up and learn US English enough to use the computer, then at least it’s tested and consistent.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by WA »

mrzool wrote: post #18
9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by wazoox »

WA wrote: post #7
9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

Every small indie game ever: action buttons are x and z. Guess what, y and z are swapped on a German keyboard.

And W and Z, and Q and A on French keyboard. WASD is totally unusable, and unfortunately quite common in web apps for instance.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by karmakaze »

I didn't realize French was written with spaces before colons. It might be time to lose that space, similar to how we don't double space after period.

I'm not saying G.Docs or any editor should dictate how French is written, only being pragmatic if I have to choose between (no space): or unwanted emojis ending up in docs.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by Cockbrand »

WA wrote: post #23
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

⌥u creates the two dots, then you press the key for the vowel to put underneath.

⌥s creates the ß.

(Both obviously only applicable for Macs)

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by sschueller »

9dev wrote: post #2

There's more of this implicit US American bias in modern computing than you would think after the whole ASCII/Unicode mess - I thought they finally learnt something about computers actually being used by other people back then, but no. One of my pet peeves: Badly implemented "press CTRL + / to search". Entering an actual slash, which requires e.g. SHIFT+7 on German keyboards, won't open the search box, but pressing t…

Even at a multinational like apple. I was fighting in the provisioning dash board a few years ago because it would not load. Issue was my last name which has an umlaut in it. This wasn't 1990 it was 2012 issh and I still see companies unable to deal with umlaut.

I believe either FedEx or UPS still can't deal with it.

In top of that Swiss mail is quite strict to how a letter is addressed and what is written on the mailbox. Luckily the mail carriers know to ignore garbled umlauts.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

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Post by cwillu »

Cockbrand wrote: post #26
WA wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

⌥u creates the two dots, then you press the key for the vowel to put underneath. ⌥s creates the ß. (Both obviously only applicable for Macs)

Applicable to linux if you set the mac qwerty keyboard layout, which is surprisingly convenient.

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

#29

Post by jorge-d »

WA wrote: post #23
mrzool wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As multilingual user constantly switching between 3 languages, that's why I fully committed to the US_intl keyboard layout a while ago and ditched the abomination that is QWERTZ. Took a while to get used to, but overall it has been a very noticeable improvement. One layout to cover all languages, no more constant switching. Edit for clarity: I type "a to get ä and 'a to get à. If I want to type actual quotes followed…

How do you type ä ö ü ß ?

On a mac keyboard you can just long-press?

Re: The plague of emoji insertion in French docs

#30

Post by kaladin-jasnah »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #21

This annoys the hell out of me and I only speak English. Microsoft is probably the biggest development-focused company in the world, but their own work communications app, Teams, doesn't allow you to paste small pieces of code in a chat because it replaces punctuation with emoji. Regardless, if I want an emoji, I will type the emoji. If I typed ':)' I want ':)' not some stupid yellow face. Meta's Facebook Messenger d…

My way of getting around the emoji conversions from ':)' to a smiley face is typing it in reverse: '(:' or '):'.
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