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Where is there more livestock than people?

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Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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It’s too hot for them in most of the agricultural centers in the USA. Plenty of goats though.

As opposed to all the sheep in famously temperate Australia? :) The temperature argument doesn't stack up to me. Have you got a source?

I was also curious since there were historically Basque sheepherders in Northern Nevada, which is generally not very cool, although the mountain summer ranges are somewhat cooler.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#92
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Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".

isn't the corn based diet unique to the United States, since corn is a subsidized crop?

Most crops are subsidized in the US. Corn is the largest crop thanks to it being relatively easy and efficient to grow.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#93

I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…

You saw a feed lot? They're only used as temporary holding pens for the last 3 months of a cows life. Most cows spend most of their time eating grass in pasture.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#94
post #20

I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…

Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".

They don't feed them corn. They feed them corn silage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage

Silage is the whole plant (even parts not edible by humans), chopped up and fermented.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#95
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".

They don't feed them corn. They feed them corn silage: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silage Silage is the whole plant (even parts not edible by humans), chopped up and fermented.

I really hope they get to go out while blasted out of their minds.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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Alternatively it’s a manufactured problem, designed to require the goal of halving the livestock.

Yes, global warming is a man-made problem and you should grow a vegetable or find something else to do besides dump nitrates into the water table.

Right, you should monocrop Monsanto's latest patented seeds and douse the land with insecticide and herbicide rather than raise some ruminants on prairie land they've roamed for millions of years.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…

Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".

This doesn't happen in Australia. The cows have a pretty nice life around where I live.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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Yes, global warming is a man-made problem and you should grow a vegetable or find something else to do besides dump nitrates into the water table.

Right, you should monocrop Monsanto's latest patented seeds and douse the land with insecticide and herbicide rather than raise some ruminants on prairie land they've roamed for millions of years.

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Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#99
post #75

I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…

> Then I moved to California, and one day had occasion to drive from SF to LA. North of Bakersfield I encountered the most profound stink I’ve ever smelled while driving, and eventually I saw the source: industrial operations with enormous numbers of cattle in fenced pens shoulder to shoulder so they could hardly move. Those feedlots are all over the country, the largest being in Colorado, Texas and Kansas: https://r…

'freely' is being a bit generous, they're all destined for the slaughterhouse or glue factory. Dairy cows are routinely bred to keep them producing milk and their calves taken away for other purposes such as veal.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, global warming is a man-made problem and you should grow a vegetable or find something else to do besides dump nitrates into the water table.

Right, you should monocrop Monsanto's latest patented seeds and douse the land with insecticide and herbicide rather than raise some ruminants on prairie land they've roamed for millions of years.

There definitely have not been billions of cows millions of years ago. There is simply not enough „prairie land“ for them. So in reality we grow the latest Monsanto monocrop to feed the livestock, because otherwise there is no way to meet the demand for all of that meat.
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