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Where is there more livestock than people?

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Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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I was surprised the lack if sheep areas. Is lamb not a popular meat in USA? Just looked up wool production and didn't realise how much Australia produces: https://blog.bizvibe.com/blog/textiles-and-garments/top-10-l...

The Wild West preferred cattle, and cattlemen, plus inertia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_Wars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_war

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way.

At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or something. What else would cows eat?? I’d probably seen a hundred thousand cows in my life, always in herds roaming around vast pastures. Of course they eat grass.

Then I moved to California, and one day had occasion to drive from SF to LA. North of Bakersfield I encountered the most profound stink I’ve ever smelled while driving, and eventually I saw the source: industrial operations with enormous numbers of cattle in fenced pens shoulder to shoulder so they could hardly move.

I spent the next ten minutes slack-jawed, reconsidering my life experience.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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It would be nice to repeat the maps using weight. The weight of a cow is like 700Kg (1500 pounds) and the weight of a chicken is like 3Kg (6 pounds). So a cow is like 250 chickens. (Can someone with CGI abilities make a gros image of a cow made of 250 chickens?)

Kinda like this? https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/p0qws3/self...

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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Earth!

What do I win?

Seriously though, check out https://xkcd.com/1338/ "Land Mammals" it's one of the more mind-blowing XKCDs IMO.

> Earth's LAND MAMMALS By Weight [[A graph in which one square equals 1,000,000 tons. Dark grey squares represent humans, light gray represent our pets and livestock, and green squares represent wild animals. The squares are arranged in a roughly round shape, with clusters for each type of animal. Animals represented: Humans, cattle, pigs, goats (39 squares), sheep, horses (29 squares), elephants (1 square). There are other small, unlabeled clusters also. It is clear that humans and our pets & livestock outweigh wild animals by at least a factor of 10. ]] {{Title text: Bacteria still outweigh us thousands to one--and that's not even counting the several pounds of them in your body.}}

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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When people bring up "overpopulation" as a primary cause of climate change, I notice most are only counting the 8 billion humans that are on earth right now and not the 80 billion land animals [1] that are being sheltered, fed then killed each year for food. It's a mind bogglingly large number that's hard to believe and yet easy to ignore because changing it will mean changes to our lifestyles to fix.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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I'm in a cow county, but here both people and cows are outnumbered many times by elk and deer. A large part of the local economy is about supporting hunters from the cities.

A local rancher told me that they make almost all of their money from hunting parties in elk season. They wouldn't bother with cows except that the cows improve the foraging for the elk, improving their business. The cows are cultivating, seed distribution and fertilization devices in service of the elk herds.

I think that the more wild forage we can maintain along with our domesticated food system, the better. In paradise it's the rule rather than the exception.

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

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This is sad. The scale of animal subjugation and suffering is hard to comprehend.

Have no idea why you get downvoted, but I did notice few times now how HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism or appreciates people who think animal agriculture is cruel.

Ah yeah, and also terribly destructive:

https://youtu.be/LaPge01NQTQ

Re: Where is there more livestock than people?

#20

I grew up in a small town and spent a lot of time driving through cows > people counties through college and young adulthood - every visit back to my parents meant seeing lots of cattle on the way. At grocery stores I would see packaging for “grass-fed beef” or “free-range” and honestly I thought it was like a joke that farmers were pulling on city people, like “gormet hand-picked potatoes” or “premium plastic” or so…

Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".
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