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I was surprised the lack if sheep areas. Is lamb not a popular meat in USA? Just looked up wool production and didn't realise how much Australia produces: https://blog.bizvibe.com/blog/textiles-and-garments/top-10-l...
I was surprised the lack if sheep areas. Is lamb not a popular meat in USA? Just looked up wool production and didn't realise how much Australia produces: https://blog.bizvibe.com/blog/textiles-and-garments/top-10-l...
It’s too hot for them in most of the agricultural centers in the USA. Plenty of goats though.
The temperature argument doesn't stack up to me. Have you got a source?
When people bring up "overpopulation" as a primary cause of climate change, I notice most are only counting the 8 billion humans that are on earth right now and not the 80 billion land animals [1] that are being sheltered, fed then killed each year for food. It's a mind bogglingly large number that's hard to believe and yet easy to ignore because changing it will mean changes to our lifestyles to fix. [1] https://en.…
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Even in pastureland country, cattle typically spend winters packed together in feedlots and are fattened in feedlots on a largely corn-based diet before slaughter. Depending on who is doing the labelling, cattle which were pastured before this fattening process may still be sold as "grass-fed".
isn't the corn based diet unique to the United States, since corn is a subsidized crop?
In EU it's a mix: https://www.dairyherd.com/news/european-cows-eat-more-foreig... https://www.beefmagazine.com/americancowman/beef-and-busines...
In general different countries will "finish" their cattle with different grains. Only a few places have the right conditions to have their beef be grass-fed through its whole lifecycle.
Wisconsin. If you get a chance, come and smell our dairy air. Or come and freeze in the land of cheese.
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Have no idea why you get downvoted, but I did notice few times now how HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism or appreciates people who think animal agriculture is cruel. Ah yeah, and also terribly destructive: https://youtu.be/LaPge01NQTQ
Maybe because it's a biased POV, that doesn't take into account that the isssue is simply being human, nobody can call themselves out or blame some activity more than others. For example many vegans and animalists own pets to "save them from cruelty" But Loss and others of the Smithsonian Conservation Biology Institute and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service found that free-ranging domestic cats (mostly unowned) are t…
This is sad. The scale of animal subjugation and suffering is hard to comprehend.
Have no idea why you get downvoted, but I did notice few times now how HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism or appreciates people who think animal agriculture is cruel. Ah yeah, and also terribly destructive: https://youtu.be/LaPge01NQTQ
The comment contributes absolutely nothing to the conversation. No definition, no solution, no relevance.
If livestock is less than people is it ok then? These graphs are just hotspots it's impossible to use them quantifiably at USA levels. They only show there are a lot of "cows" "there"
You are just roping your common repetitive viewpoints into the story.
Why don't you care about human slavery? Do you not think that is cruel? I'm guessing because you are rich and the poor can eat vegan cake on the other side of the world? Why do vegans get to bring up veganism every conversation when so many people have such awful lives like being slaves?
None of this is relevant to livestock heat maps using a measure of X times people.
> HN crowd doesn’t know much about veganism
It's common - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
An actual solution, rather than vegans saying they are vegan, is also common on HN - https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
When people bring up "overpopulation" as a primary cause of climate change, I notice most are only counting the 8 billion humans that are on earth right now and not the 80 billion land animals [1] that are being sheltered, fed then killed each year for food. It's a mind bogglingly large number that's hard to believe and yet easy to ignore because changing it will mean changes to our lifestyles to fix. [1] https://en.…
72B of those 80 are chickens, cattle come in at 325M. At least chickens are a superfood animal in terms of converting calories into food, and generally being lower impact than cattle, pork, etc.
Maybe compared to beef but when chickens are being fed crops they're not efficient compared to eating crops directly. 72 billion chickens is still an insane number of extra lives to support.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_efficiency
"In comparing the cultivation of animals versus plants, there is a clear difference in magnitude of energy efficiency. Edible kilocalories produced from kilocalories of energy required for cultivation are: 18.1% for chicken, 6.7% for grass-fed beef, 5.7% for farmed salmon, and 0.9% for shrimp. In contrast, potatoes yield 123%, corn produce 250%, and soy results in 415% of input calories converted to calories able to be utilized by humans.[4] This disparity in efficiency reflects the reduction in production from moving up trophic levels. Thus, it is more energetically efficient to form a diet from lower trophic levels."
When people bring up "overpopulation" as a primary cause of climate change, I notice most are only counting the 8 billion humans that are on earth right now and not the 80 billion land animals [1] that are being sheltered, fed then killed each year for food. It's a mind bogglingly large number that's hard to believe and yet easy to ignore because changing it will mean changes to our lifestyles to fix. [1] https://en.…
72B of those 80 are chickens, cattle come in at 325M. At least chickens are a superfood animal in terms of converting calories into food, and generally being lower impact than cattle, pork, etc.
You could use chickens to deal with food waste, but you could waste less food? Most chickens are grain fed anyways—typically corn and soybean. Those calories are already food, you don't need to convert them besides cooking them. You're also using a living being as a means to an end and giving most of them a terrible existence to fit 72B on the terrestrial surface.
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72B of those 80 are chickens, cattle come in at 325M. At least chickens are a superfood animal in terms of converting calories into food, and generally being lower impact than cattle, pork, etc.
Superfood animals because they eat literal garbage; you're still not escaping the order of magnitude conversion loss going through a trophic level. In addition we don't know all the long-term impacts of eating poultry (or any animal for that matter) given growth hormone stimulating factors. We also know that red and processed meats definitely cause cancer, and cooking "lean" meats / fish creates compounds likely to c…
That is the main usefulness of chicken, because from vegetable food it is very difficult to get enough proteins without simultaneously getting too many calories.
There are methods to extract proteins from vegetables, but for some reason the current methods are inadequate, because the price of vegetable protein extracts is much higher than the price of chicken meat, for the same quantity of proteins, so few people can afford to eat them, even if they might like the idea of vegan food.