As long as I can't provision these service myself without having to "call for advice" I am not using it irregardless of the price. It's 2022 and any company still hiding behind "call for pricing" or "call for quote" that isn't servicing government agencies is going to be eaten alive by any other provider not making customer run thought hoops. They claim they are the German AWS when they miss the first thing that Bezo…
Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
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Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#92As long as I can't provision these service myself without having to "call for advice" I am not using it irregardless of the price. It's 2022 and any company still hiding behind "call for pricing" or "call for quote" that isn't servicing government agencies is going to be eaten alive by any other provider not making customer run thought hoops. They claim they are the German AWS when they miss the first thing that Bezo…
The weird thing afaiac is that lidl is about the least online supermarket there is, at least here in the uk. No home delivery, no online catalogue, one time I had to order a replacement battery for one of their drills and was directed to a different company entirely. Aws was spun out from a successful large scale online retailer. What are lidl thinking?
In the US they have an online catalog and even in/out of stock indicators for your store. Lidl is now my preferred grocer outside for standard items while I use higher end grocers primary for their meat departments that have better cuts of meat available. Their produce is great although if you need a speciality item you likely won't find it. Their bakery is top notch compared to most US store bakeries.
They've always offered household items but I've noticed this expanding at my local store beyond toiletries and disposables, things like clothes and what not. I can't say I ever considered buying power tools or anything I'd want to keep and use long term there (I tend not to go discount for such items and opt for higher quality). There are places like Home Depot close and accessible enough here in the US that I doubt most would buy such products there. They do offer some plants on the cheap, although I'm not a plant person.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#93As a German I would like to point out, that German companies are (as always) too late to the party. Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. It's embarrassing :(
I think we (Europe) need a Shenzhen-like zone (probably between France and Germany). That is a tax-free (15%) english speaking tech zone.
- a proper vision
- the balls to implement it, even if that means booting lobbyists off and annoying the US
We have OVH, Hetzner, Infomaniak, Proton, Nextcloud, and plenty of smaller companies, some heavily invested in open source. There's also a mechanism to fund flagship projects with billions.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#94As a German I would like to point out, that German companies are (as always) too late to the party. Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. It's embarrassing :(
I think we (Europe) need a Shenzhen-like zone (probably between France and Germany). That is a tax-free (15%) english speaking tech zone.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to Germans it's not. Not to the EU countries in general, with GDPR compliance hovering over their heads, it's not. The reputation when it comes to "tech" as in "IT" is not stellar for sure, but it's not unrecoverable bad, and you're forgetting political dimensions.
When I try to think of European tech companies I think SAP and Spotify. There’s just nothing remotely comparable to Silicon Valley in Continental Europe, Switzerland included. London and Tel Aviv are each very far ahead of the closest European startup hub, Berlin and there’s just nothing there. I understand the urge to look for something to find pride in somewhere but aiding regulation isn’t something normal people a…
However, that's not even what Schwarz is targeting here. They are targeting the IT departments of existing companies that aren't necessarily in the tech space at all. I know of a bunch of companies who'd love to move a lot of their stuff into a managed cloud, but wouldn't touch a US-owned cloud for compliance reasons. They stay aware from Telekom, because... well... Telekom. They stay away from Hetzner because Hetzner is not considered "serious" enough for now. So they often end up running their own infra or at most do unmanaged colo.
The GDPR I do like, and are a bit prideful that the EU made it happen.
But it isn't about pride here so much anyway, as it is about political and regulatory realities.
Schwarz has to convince their potential customers that they are "serious" (and Schwarz is considered pretty serious in the business space), that they can execute on promises (and Schwarz again has a reputation for that too, though in the retail space) and that they can offer a cloud that is compliant with regulations, even if at first it's not much more than some managed vms/colos.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#96I do not understand the purpose of AWS style cloud platforms. What's wrong with Hetzner or Contabo? What is the advantage of paying 270€ per month for a 60GB RAM instance with 8 cores if you can get the same instance on Contabo for 27€? It really feels like these cloud platforms are following the Microtransaction model of mobile games.
You get them for the myriad of other managed services they provide, which let you build stuff that would otherwise take months, in days. The catalogue of AWS services is probably over 200 already, EC2 is just one of them.
Building on a cloud like that is much more "gluing together legos using Terraform and some code" than the alternative.
Configuring and maintaining open source solutions is a lot of work. Building everything yourself is too. I prefer to pay for AWS instead.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#97>Built in 2018, the first [datacenter] offers up to 1,000 sqm (10,760 sq ft), with another 4,500 sqm (48,400 sq ft) to be offered in phase two; it reportedly has a PUE of 1.1 and utilizes river cooling. [The second datacenter] offers 300 sqm (3,200 sq ft) across two data halls. These seem implausibly small for the total footprint of an entire datacenter designed for providing resources on par with an AWS zone. Perhap…
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#98As a German I would like to point out, that German companies are (as always) too late to the party. Nothing with worldwide relevance in the software, AI nor cloud space came out of Germany / the EU within in the last decades. It's embarrassing :(
I think we (Europe) need a Shenzhen-like zone (probably between France and Germany). That is a tax-free (15%) english speaking tech zone.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
But at what price… I have said it here many times, but I am a nobody so I can repeat it; one of my weekend side businesses is optimising overall performance for companies. They contact me with something like ‘I am paying 50k$/mo for aws and out app still goes down with traffic’. The case I did today one month ago was doing 10k/mo on aws and that jumps up mentally with traffic. This is a SaaS site and startup and they…
How much of the cost discrepancy was due to issues inherent with AWS, versus extremely poor engineering on the part of the startup? As a trivial example, I too can rack up a massive cloud bill by provisioning a 128 core VM for a web app that only sees a few thousand hits per day. But the massive bill isn’t the fault of the cloud provider; it’s the fault of my own bad engineering choices.
I encounter 10-10000x higher bills on aws ; most 0s are self inflicted but the last few 0s I don’t think you can erase in the same way with aws vs a good vps provider.
Re: Lidl’s parent company launches cloud unit to offer ‘Made in Germany’ AWS rival
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we (Europe) need a Shenzhen-like zone (probably between France and Germany). That is a tax-free (15%) english speaking tech zone.
Afaik both countries have tax incentives for R&D already. What the EU needs is : - a proper vision - the balls to implement it, even if that means booting lobbyists off and annoying the US We have OVH, Hetzner, Infomaniak, Proton, Nextcloud, and plenty of smaller companies, some heavily invested in open source. There's also a mechanism to fund flagship projects with billions.