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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by throwaway290 »

older wrote: post #75
throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

Avoiding being jailed for up to 15 years is economic migration?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

galfarragem wrote: post #78
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> We're helping our neighbour. Cynical view here: We're helping ourselves. We all know how difficult is to find good devs (edited: with subpar compensation) nowadays. The same applies on different fields also. As an anecdote, Portuguese government is _actively_ asking Ukrainian refugees to come to Portugal and sending them directly to areas known for chronic worker shortage. Ukrainians, typically, are not social secu…

>We all know how difficult is to find good devs nowadays.

Difficult to find good devs willing to work for peanuts maybe. Companies with a great culture and paying top dollar/euro have no trouble getting an influx of quality people, even willing to grind through several stages of interview practices to get in.

By the same logic, I also have trouble finding quality Ferraris. Though I omit to say my budget of $5000 might be the main issue here, so I spread propaganda everywhere that good Ferraris are tough to find.

>Cynical view here: We're helping ourselves.

More like companies are helping themselves here.

I'm supporting all Ukrainian refugees, not just the devs, but it's funny to see Norwegian companies cooperate to attract foreign talent and spin this into some benevolent charity work when they're just looking after their interests, to suppress local market wages.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by throwaway290 »

scotty79 wrote: post #57
older wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you know which ones of those Russians oppose Putin? Just by asking and trusting that they are being honest? Those opposing Putin are a small minority, most of them are supporting the war even those in academia. Check these ratings: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ Also, they are not risking much by being in opposition. That girl who protested couple of days ago during live broadcast on Russian TV got fined $2…

I think in Russians living abroad majority might oppose Putin or at least want nothing to do with him. I imagine hating Putin and the country he created might be one of the more common reasons of living abroad.

More or less. Some lived outside Russia and supported Putin. (I remember the disheveled guy at the airport trying to get a ticket out of Europe to Russia because he feared war. I don't know his political views but he made a good impression of being pro-Putin to Aeroflot staff, who could not help him anyway.)

However, many Russians who could live outside did so for political reasons. Just like I would rather not live in China due to disagreements about what CCP does, I would rather not live in Russia.

Before now, every time I went to Russia there was a tinge of fear of political prosecution due to my views, but now the tables have turned significantly. My extreme hate for the war together with the likelihood of being imprisoned for my views means there is no going back.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by cute_boi »

hkpack wrote: post #83
alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

You might be thinking that it's a Putin's war, but I can assure you, Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war. Even people who live abroad. > It scares me how people lose their minds to xenophobia, war, and hate Because while some russians are experiencing "hate and xenophobia", civilian people is Ukraine are being brutally killed in thousands using unguided bombs, artillery strikes or MLRSs. For you, dead o…

Can you please justify "Russian people are wholeheartedly support the war".

I know you are making this specious statement because if this was the case why Russian government do shenanigans during election? Clearly, many people doesn't support him.

People seem to forget 1 person can control hundreds cattle. And there is high chance, 1 police can easily control 20 people. I have a lot of friends in Russia, and they all share the same sentiment. Many people don't like to live in autocracy. even with propaganda, unless their living standard is extremely high.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

eldaisfish wrote: post #81
jnsaff2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting whataboutist take. I would mostly agree, but: - fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee vs. - fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more wel…

Russians in Russia don't have a choice, please stop implying that Russian elections are either fair or of any consequence. People on the internet love to throw around the idea that citizens of oppressive regimes have a say in the direction or actions of that regime. Neither Russian nor Chinese nor North Korean nor Iranian citizens have any say in what their respective governments do.

Do you have any relatives in Russia? I have a lot and my experience talking to them says you're wrong. Your attempt to present Russia as some sort of NK-like dystopia is completely misguided.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by rich_sasha »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

It seems unconditional compassion is not natural to human societies of 21st century. Not in Europe, not in North America, not in Russia, not in South-East Asia.

I guess we should appreciate any compassion that our societies are moved to. And work on expanding that.

Riffing on a biblical quote, who is my neighbour? To a medieval peasant, someone from their villate. To a 19th century citizen, people of their country (most of them). To us, apparently people from some other countries, but not all. It's progress, let's keep up the good work.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by s_dev »

older wrote: post #75
throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course. Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

They would be technically Asylum Seekers but you're wrong that Russia is safe. Plenty of LGBT people or anti-war activists will be granted refuge for instance by European governments.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by jnsaff2 »

eldaisfish wrote: post #81
jnsaff2 wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting whataboutist take. I would mostly agree, but: - fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee vs. - fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more wel…

Russians in Russia don't have a choice, please stop implying that Russian elections are either fair or of any consequence. People on the internet love to throw around the idea that citizens of oppressive regimes have a say in the direction or actions of that regime. Neither Russian nor Chinese nor North Korean nor Iranian citizens have any say in what their respective governments do.

Bullshit. The country is not 140M slaves without any agency.

The system is effective, but people are complicit. Why they still are, I don't know. I grew up on soviet union and we escaped the first chance we got. But them behind the border decided to accept whatever they did. A little explanation from our neighbors who also have to put up with the russian threat all the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF9KretXqJw

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

throwaway290 wrote: post #91
older wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word refugee has legal meaning. You cannot be called refugee unless your country is deemed unsafe and you risk your life being in that country. Thus Russians are not refugees but economic migrants.

Avoiding being jailed for up to 15 years is economic migration?

Jailed for 15 years, really? It is more like being fined $200: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/15/marina-ovsyann...

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by olavgg »

retrojorgen wrote: post #2

Hi! We just launched a job board for Ukrainian tech workers that might be looking for jobs in Norway. The Norwegian government recently passed laws giving special rights to Ukrainian refugees. kode24.no is Norways only news site for developers, and we already run a job board. We surveyed everyone on the board if they will accept applications from Ukrainian workers. So far there are 9 jobs available, hopefully more wi…

Salary for developers, even foreign ones in Norway is also pretty good! And at the moment there is a huge demand for software developers here.
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