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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by keewee7 »

A lot of comments here about racism against Muslim refugees and the lack of racism against Ukrainian refugees.

We are only three weeks into this war and refugee crisis. The far-right here in Western Europe have not yet had time to come up with reasons to hate Ukrainian refugees. The far-right is actually busy defending Putin's invasion and spreading pro-Russian and anti-Ukrainian propaganda. It is only a question of time before this anti-Ukrainian propaganda targets Ukrainian refugees.

Another thing is that there were plenty of similar job boards for Syrian refugees in Denmark and Germany. Syrian refugees with dev skills were welcomed with open arms by our IT industry.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by trhway »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

>Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians.

there are a lot of reasons for that. There is really something non-human in Russians attacking Ukrainians. Even for me, a Russian well familiar with history and overall situation there, it is still hard to believe that Russians so easily went into that war. That makes anybody naturally question their existing perception of what Russians really is, and that is where the "xeno" feeling comes from.

Just look how pretty much whole Russia celebrates the "Z" symbol of the invasion

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/09/letter-z-rus...

https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1500506408101593094

There is no meaningful difference between Germans celebrating swastika and their leader in 1939 and Russians celebrating "Z" and their leader in 2022. Europe's reaction isn't surprising here.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by [deleted] »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by fwr »

csmpltn wrote: post #50
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour" Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Somebody who lives in your general area, or somebody from the other side of the world?

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by anu7df »

smackay wrote: post #33
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders. If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.

Sorry. Media coverage would have no perceivable difference in the nature of response to Syrians vs Ukrainians. Rightly or Wrongly it is about what people are comfortable with. Europeans are more comfortable with other Europeans settling near them. Unfortunately there is a religious aspect too in this which I don't need to spell out. Some of that is a fear of what you don't know, but (again) unfortunately it is also sometimes the justified fear of more radical elements of the religion.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by detaro »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

> There is no nuance. Just blind hate.

That's where your comment falls in exactly the same trap it decries. No, there is not just blind hate. Yes, some people act badly and shouldn't, but it does not generalize that way.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by jnsaff2 »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

That's an interesting whataboutist take.

I would mostly agree, but:

- fleeing your home country because its inhabitants (including yourself) have let it go to shits and you have a choice between keeping on tolerating what has been always there or just NOW deciding to flee

vs.

- fleeing your home country which for the last few years has started going to the right direction, has hope of becoming part of a much more welcoming and tolerant world .. because some thugs are literally killing your family, bombing your house and you either flee or risk dying.

There is no question which of those two uses up all of my empathy. Once the war has stopped, once all who have lost their actual home have it back, then we may have empathy for the people who let this happen.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by throwaway290 »

Is there a similar board open to Russian refugees? Asking seriously, for myself and some friends. I wouldn't mind if priority is given to war refugees from Ukraine, of course.

Edit: refugee (n.) - a person who has been forced to leave their country to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by keewee7 »

tut-urut-utut wrote: post #53
keewee7 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask Syrian refugees here in Europe what they actually fled. They fled the bombs dropped by Russia and their Syrian allies. It was Russia and their Syrian allies who were responsible for the majority of civilian casualties and the massive flow of refugees.

Syrian civil war started ~2011, Russia joined in September 2015. Most of the Syrian refugees came to Europe during the summer of 2015, before Russia even joined. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_civil_war If we were to be nitpicky, we can even say the number of refugees from Syria in Europe decreased after Russian intervention.

Russian pilots started flying Syrian flagged bombers well before 2015. Russia was the primary weapons supplier to the Syrian regime throughout the conflict.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by emptysongglass »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

I don't think this is true. I have received a lot of support among friends, work and my broader social network helping to get out an anti-war Russian from the country. This is spread between Denmark and Germany.
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