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Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by robrorcroptrer »

smackay wrote: post #33
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders. If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.

This is based on the assumption that it all has to do with media exposure.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by inductive_magic »

smackay wrote: post #33
Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

This is the wrong way to look at it. If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides. People are reacting to the magnitude of the perceived crisis. Peoples' compassion pretty much knows no borders. If there is any finger-pointing to be done then it's at the mainstream media not at how individuals or groups are trying to help human beings in need.

>If Syrian refugees had the media coverage Ukrainian ones do there'd be job boards for them and much more besides

Your confidence in this statement is beyond me. We've been there, Germany 2015, Syria crisis.

There was no lack of media representation of the conflict, the victms, etc. Of course the whole "russia vs the world" thing makes the Ukraine-invasion a different ballgame, but no way in hell would you see job boards for Syrians all across Europe if only the media paid enough attention. The media sold and told the story over and over, to anyone that was willing to listen. People just aren't as open to completely foreign cultures and to Islam as they are to Eastern Europe - and frankly, I can't take a claim that diverges from this very basic groundline too serious. Talk to actual people in Europe and they will confirm what I'm saying here.

Everyone knows someone from Eastern Europe, we know their culture, they are - like the gp said - our neighbours. Syrians are not. I've met wonderful people amongst the syrian refugees, don't get me wrong. But to claim that there is no difference in sympathy whatsoever is simply ignorant to reality, and I think your audience here deserves better than that.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by older »

alecco wrote: post #13

I would like to see safe haven for Russians who oppose Putin. Currently there is growing Euro hate to all Russians. There was a news segment about a Russian expat who's been campaigning abroad against the regime for over 10 years and now she gets insulted by random people. This was somewhere in Spain but could as well be any other country. They are desperately fleeing the regime to avoid being arrested. Others lost t…

How do you know which ones of those Russians oppose Putin? Just by asking and trusting that they are being honest? Those opposing Putin are a small minority, most of them are supporting the war even those in academia. Check these ratings: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/

Also, they are not risking much by being in opposition. That girl who protested couple of days ago during live broadcast on Russian TV got fined $200. They are risking to lose their lifestyle at most. While Ukrainians are risking to lose their lives.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by elloworld1221 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #36
SalimoS wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>They are ‘civilised’ and ‘look like us’ Yes, and? How is giving compliments being racist to anyone? Is saying 'my girlfriend is smart and beautiful' hurtful to every other women? Is my boss saying 'Brian is smart and hard working' insulting to everyone else? I wish this cringe wokeness and trying to spin everything into racism would stop. I expected far more from a prestigious paper like The Guardian, instead of tab…

If you read the full quotes from the article, these comments aren't compliments, they are comments to contextualize/justify treatment of other refugees. Literally every quote is saying "Ukranians are x, unlike other refugees who are y". That is clearly racism and not "cringe wokeness".

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by ginko »

vintermann wrote: post #39
historia_novae wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a strawman and I'm tiring of reading it everywhere. Ukrainians are Europeans, it's normal they're flying to neighbouring countries, that is European ones. Syrians are Middle-Easterners, it would be logical for them to flee to wealthy neighboring countries (most does: Lebanon is hosting millions of them) which are geographically, linguistically, culturally and religiously closer to them like Saudi Arabia or Israe…

This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are). Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small…

>Try buying kvass in Norway!

The immigrant store 150m from where I am right now stocks several brands of kvass.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by hans1729 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #36
SalimoS wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quoted post unavailable.

>They are ‘civilised’ and ‘look like us’ Yes, and? How is giving compliments being racist to anyone? Is saying 'my girlfriend is smart and beautiful' hurtful to every other women? Is my boss saying 'Brian is smart and hard working' insulting to everyone else? I wish this cringe wokeness and trying to spin everything into racism would stop. I expected far more from a prestigious paper like The Guardian, instead of tab…

Its an opinion piece.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by retrojorgen »

Etheryte wrote: post #16

This is a great idea and a good way to help people hit the ground running. One small nit pick, when I have adblock on, the page shows "0 available tech jobs", and your target audience are people who are more likely than average to use adblock.

Fair point! Trying to fix :) In case anyone wants to turn of ad block for the page. we do not run any banner ads on this page or the job board though. so for anyone willing to turn it of, you shouldn't se any wild banner ads.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by toxik »

vintermann wrote: post #39
historia_novae wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a strawman and I'm tiring of reading it everywhere. Ukrainians are Europeans, it's normal they're flying to neighbouring countries, that is European ones. Syrians are Middle-Easterners, it would be logical for them to flee to wealthy neighboring countries (most does: Lebanon is hosting millions of them) which are geographically, linguistically, culturally and religiously closer to them like Saudi Arabia or Israe…

This is stretching it. Try buying kvass in Norway! Eastern Europe is in many ways a different planet. It's gradually changing thanks to Schengen workers, but middle easterners have had a bigger presence for longer - and they're actually better integrated in many ways (since they're not just here temporarily to make money, as many Schengen workers are). Ironically, the only place I've found Ukrainian kvass is in small…

Your argument, stripped down: $UAFoodItem is hard to find, thus Middle Eastern immigrants are better integrated. QED.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

No, this looks at Europeans with Rose tinted glasses.

I think there is innate tribalism in all of us. We can all rationally fight it and we rationally know what is morally the right thing to do. But it is in our core psychology to look for similarities/differences and identify as close/distance to other people.

The Ukrainian government has also made an amazing job at galvanizing EU social media around this. The message is clear, it is us, your european brothers and sisters who are suffering right now, please help.

In many ways the Ukrainians have succeeded in an information war where the Georgians, Armenians, Sirians, Yemenis have been unfortunately less successful.

Re: Norwegian developer job board for Ukrainian refugees

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Post by csmpltn »

Etheryte wrote: post #26

There's already a number of comments trying to spin this in one racially loaded way or another discrimination loaded way or such. Please stop. I'll try to explain why your take is misguided with a parable which you can no doubt poke countless holes into. Say you've lived in one place your whole life. You have a neighbour, and they've lived their whole life there as well. One day your neighbour comes to you and asks f…

> "People go up and above for Ukraine because they're that neighbour"

Where do you draw the line on "neighbor"? Why Ukraine but not Syria?

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