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Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#91

Drawing skill, in my experience, comes mainly down to natural talent. If you’ve not got much you’ll get little reward from investing your time.

Boo. Everything I've learned, from work to living like an adult, has come down to practice. If I thought it was just "natural talent" I'd never attempt to get better at anything.

People like to credit their own hard work. You’ll never seen a winning athlete say how talented they are. We’ve created an an illusion that anyone can excel with hard work because it justifies inequalities. I was born good at drawing stuff so I capitalised on it somewhat.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#92
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Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> You think you can see things, but what you are really doing is recognizing things. Any normal adult has the motor skills to make a controlled mark. I have reasonably nimble fingers and at least average overall motor control, and really cannot do this. I got pretty good at drawing a handful of things as a kid by just repeating the same pattern every time, but even on those my lines were just awful. I'm sure I could…

If you're anything like me, I think it's a matter of visualisation, not coordination. I tend to shake if I try hold my hand still (and always have), my hand-writing is downright awful. My sketches / drawings are terrible - I dislike visual brainstorming sessions quite a bit!

However, I did start going through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain a while back and seriously impressed myself by following the exercises. No, I can't draw a circle or a straight line, but those things don't exist in nature; especially when you factor in perspective.

When in the right mind-set I found I wasn't thinking about shapes at all, I was just trying to make something look the way I was visualising it. For me that's the hard part. I normally think analytically "A stop sign is a octagon with some straight lines. Stop lights are circles." That's simply not true when you're trying to draw. Which is just as well, because I can't draw those shapes for squat!

I don't think I'll ever be able to draw diagrams/charts. However, I'm sure if I kept practising I could get reasonably good at drawing people & objects. Even in a cartoon style, I think I could, with a lot of effort, improve to an acceptable standard. Even cartoons tend to have some sort of perspective and characters are not symmetrical.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#93
post #79

Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> You think you can see things, but what you are really doing is recognizing things. Any normal adult has the motor skills to make a controlled mark. I have reasonably nimble fingers and at least average overall motor control, and really cannot do this. I got pretty good at drawing a handful of things as a kid by just repeating the same pattern every time, but even on those my lines were just awful. I'm sure I could…

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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#94

You may not be into comics but I still recommend Lynda Berry’s Making Comics for the aspiring draftsman. Depending on how you best learn, it may be a good fit. Playful, yet structured. So much in the early stages is about overcoming inhibitions and “just do it”, and this book helps with that. Also recommend Gary Panter’s 10 “rules” for keeping a sketchbook. Have fun! Oh, and look up the urban sketchers community, mig…

I want to learn how to do Stick Figures. Sort of like the xkcd. Would "Making Comics" help with that? If not, if anyone has any resources for stick figures, please mention them in a reply to this post.

Indirectly, yes. Even if you just want to draw stick figures, you need to put marks on paper (or tablet, but the analog way has benefits IMO), and the book helps with that. You’ll need to practice abstraction and that’s nothing more than seeing and drawing. A lot. Check out the Gary Panter link above. Fill a sketchbook with stick figure versions of the stuff around you and you’re off to a good start.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#96
My suggestion is to follow Kimon Nicolaides' "The natural way to draw" It's almost the antithesis of Betty Edwards' "Drawing on right side of the brain". Follow the exercises as if you were doing push-ups. At some point you'll probably want to get a model, spend your money on that.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#97
Learning how to draw, sharing your work, outgrowing realism taking to impressionism, pop surrealism, is such a critical part of out growing up, that if bad advice knocks it out of you, you'll end up with a hole in your soul.

People will comment that I am making assumptions, and snipe everything in here, but be strong, do what I tell you, because even YOUR first impression may be wrong.

I give you, and all the kind people that read this, Hyper Realism, as your first step.

Because making a perfect portrait is the simplest thing you can do.

Before you draw, before you get your pencils, your easel, before it occurs to you to get a wall projector (a modern camera obscura):

download Krita!

And buy the cheapest pen ant tablet you can get (about $40). Don't use the mouse, because it does not have a pressure sensor.

That is what the pen is for, the tip is pressure sensitive, and allows you to lay down transparent layers of paint.

If all you have is a mouse at the moment, then that is OK for following these steps. But get the pen, a mouse is nothing like it. Warning: the mouse may trick you into thinking digital painting is not for you, buy a used pen.

Before I continue, I remind you all, that as you learn how to do this one simple trick, you must become teachers. This is the tradition of the programmer, you learn and you teach the little ones how to do it. They won't learn in school, schools, like bad advice, will trick the younger artist out of art.

(Critics, keep in mind that this is teaches about drawing, it helps the heart to art, this is sacred, just let it be. And remember how internet works, one person asks, but the response is for many. I know the person asked for drawing and not digital painting. This teaches pencil drawing too.)

Once you have krita (which is open source) installed create 15x15 inch 300 dpi canvas.

Go to https://www.reddit.com/r/redditgetsdrawn/ and pick a simple well lit face, make sure you can see the lip/eye details at 1:1 zoom, though a little bit of blur won't hurt you, as you have to paint many paintings to to learn how to draw.

Now, and this is the magical part, use the Reference Images Tool (pushpin icon) to load up the image from Reddit Gets Drawn, AND STRETCH IT OVER THE ENTIRE CANVAS. This will feel like tracing, people may call it tracing, but this is learning to draw for real. This is about discovering the details of the face.

Begin by setting the opacity of the reference image to 50% and rough out the details, the shape of the face, the location of the eyes, assign a shortcut to CTRL+` to "Show Reference Images" which will help you turn the reference image off and on. This is your CAMERA OBSCURA, here you get everything in place for your Hyper Realism.

Once you have your shapes figured out, preferably on separate layers, DROP THE REFERENCE IMAGE OPACITY TO 1%, you won't be able to see it, BUT THE COLOR PICKER WIL, Holding down the CTRL key flips your brush into color picker mode, so you pick the color and brush it on, PICK AND BRUSH IT ON, PICK AND BRUSH IT ON, PICK AND BRUSH IT ON.

As you explore this technique studying your reference image, trying different variations of the technique, YOUR BRAIN, will begin soaking up details about the face, that you never knew existed. The little puffyness near the eye, the light that is always by the cheeks, the light pink near the lips, the support shadow beneath the nose.

The more you paint, the more you will learn how to draw.

NOTES:

Reddit Gets drawn has this happy clause: "By submitting a photo, submitters are agreeing that artists can distribute and sell work based on the photos uploaded."

Be mindful of copyright look up Shepard Fairy's trouble with the Obama HOPE poster.

Search the internet for "How do I sell my digital art."

Teach others how to do this.

And finally, when I hope to teach this technique, I half-jokingly call this the Cat Pea Technique.

I arrived at it independently about three weeks ago, and I kind of captured the beginning of the light bulb going off, in a silly time lapse video of a very patient and lind lady from Reddit Gets Drawn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov9m1iTJgSk&list=PLOo-pqnffy...

I am not selling anything, the video has only 7 views, and no sound, use an ad blocker, etc.

I am really just giving you all the ability to learn Art VERY QUICKLY from Hyper Realistic Digital Painting, which is a very inspiring start.

I know it will work for many if not all of you, because once you finish your first work, you will never stop.

We are all artists, we just need that first taste.

Thanks for bringing this question to the front page autotune.

Take care everyone, and remember to teach others.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#98

Possible red flags: - " One day, eventually, if all the stars align, I want to maybe be able to X " pattern. Yes it's good to have goals, and socially approved of to be humble; a risk with this is that people who are compelled to do X are already doing it right now, badly, because they enjoy doing it . You could have drawn many people in the time it took you to write that post, and then said "draw better action scene…

I mean, I agree with all your points, but red flags for what? I want to learn how to draw and am willing to invest resources to do it. Currently going through the free drawabox.com lessons and that seems to have all the exercises and videos I need to get going.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#99
(I'm a professional dev/devops but have been drawing a long time)

Lynda Barry's resources are excellent! Her "What It Is" clearly communicates the magic and identity of making marks on the the page. She shows her adoration of marks by NOT-trained artists, they're more "alive", so many of her exercises are UN-learning things from more traditional "artist" pathways.

I'm really enjoying her "Syllabus" book, it's a startling refreshing way to learn, including making marks / "drawing".

https://www.instagram.com/thenearsightedmonkey/

https://www.amazon.com/Syllabus-Accidental-Professor-Lynda-B...

https://www.amazon.com/What-Lynda-Barry/dp/1897299354

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#100

Two suggestions to add to the many excellent ones already here: Arthur Wesley Dow’s Composition: A Series of Exercises Selected From a New System of Art Education [0] is a wonderful, wonderful book in the public domain – recently submitted here but didn't get much attention. It is well worth spending a lot of time studying its exercises and examples. [0] https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/dow-composition/ My s…

More archive.org versions (easily downloadable in many formats): https://archive.org/search.php?query=Arthur+Dow+Composition
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