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Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#61

You may not be into comics but I still recommend Lynda Berry’s Making Comics for the aspiring draftsman. Depending on how you best learn, it may be a good fit. Playful, yet structured. So much in the early stages is about overcoming inhibitions and “just do it”, and this book helps with that. Also recommend Gary Panter’s 10 “rules” for keeping a sketchbook. Have fun! Oh, and look up the urban sketchers community, mig…

I want to learn how to do Stick Figures. Sort of like the xkcd.

Would "Making Comics" help with that? If not, if anyone has any resources for stick figures, please mention them in a reply to this post.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

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For me, it was really stumbling onto Feng Zhu's channel that changed things: https://www.youtube.com/user/FZDSCHOOL/videos The big change is more at a metacognitive level, which was to understand that you could view 'art' purely as a technical field, not something that involved artistic sense or talent. So he goes other detail density distribution, color theory, perspective, etc. The video content also helps getting…

His episode 89 - Just Draw - was so useful to me: https://youtu.be/WLqWX7onVmU

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#63

I'm a self-taught artist and count drawing as a skill of mine. I wouldn't say I'm a "natural" at it and would have definitely benefited from some structured learning. Here are some of my recommendations/thoughts: 1. Bring a sketchbook with you everywhere and draw and observe what you see. There are shortcuts and techniques but like anything else it takes practice and time. 2. Humans are the most difficult because the…

To add on to #2: people are hard to draw because we instinctively recognize imperfections in other humans (maybe evolution behavior?) and can easily fall into uncanny valley when things like joints/bones don't exactly look right

FWIW, I found male faces/bodies are somewhat easier to get away imperfections since they're generally more rugged

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#64

Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

"Just getting started", I feel the same with the guitar. Been playing since I was 12, 40 years on with quite a few breaks still love it and having fun will never be a pro! I work with loads of great artists, I really can't draw (but am according to the deeds of my apprenticeship a qualified draftsman!) but still love to doodle and sketch. The awesome artists I teach and work with always amaze me, mostly the really good ones always have a sketch book with them and always doodle. This is the key, love it, practice it and enjoy :-)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#65

Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

Here’s another anecdote that might be more to your liking. It’s true, BTW. I started drawing seriously when I was 12. Everyone considered me really amazing by 16. I consider myself to have plateaued at 20. I’m not aware of having improved in any specific way since, but I’m Disney-level good, and I can draw anything from life or imagination in a variety of styles and levels of realism. Portraits too. I’m in my mid 40s now.

I'm not opposed to the idea of continuous learning and improvement. It's more like in art (and programming as well), I vastly surpassed my original goals, and I'm already overqualified to do anything that I like to do and am interested in doing. I certainly do not have the skill or knowledge to do everything that is possible to do, but I don't care about that.

I suspect my attitude may differ from that of many artists. I'm not on a journey to explore some mystery. I just need the skills to execute on the projects that I imagine.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#66

I'm a self-taught artist and count drawing as a skill of mine. I wouldn't say I'm a "natural" at it and would have definitely benefited from some structured learning. Here are some of my recommendations/thoughts: 1. Bring a sketchbook with you everywhere and draw and observe what you see. There are shortcuts and techniques but like anything else it takes practice and time. 2. Humans are the most difficult because the…

A few additional points, as someone who spent several years taking courses in drawing in college.

- Don't get caught on the nerd treadmill of tools-before-effort. You can draw with whatever is in your junk drawer. You can draw well with $40 of different hardness pencils and kneaded erasers from an art supply store. Beyond that is a waste.

- As parent said, practice practice practice. Which means finding time to practice. For which a portable sketchbook and basic portable kit is a huge help.

- (Disagree with parent, here) Find someone(s) who won't hold back to judge your work. You need someone who can say (and who you can handle hearing say) "This part sucks." Because you need to hear that, and work on it, until it doesn't. In professional training this is "jury." One-directional courses (them to you) aren't going to help here, as you need feedback.

- Start drawing from life, because you have an infinite supply of content that all obeys the laws we assume to be true (perspective, lighting, gravity, etc). And you'll be able to tell if it looks correct or not.

- Drawing from pictures can help "freeze" a moment. This is especially important for outdoor light and shadow, as otherwise the sun angle will change while you're working.

- Learn to draw what you see, not a representation of what you see. This means don't draw a symbol of a house, but draw the house in front of you. Focusing on details and working through them methodically helps avoid symbolism. E.g. draw that line, or that corner, not the whole thing.

- Draw with intent: every drawing should have a concrete goal when you're learning. It doesn't have to include everything. Consider including or excluding lighting and shadow, which takes a huge amount of time to get right. E.g. circular mass studies, perspective line work, proportion. Think about what you want in this drawing, and then practice only that.

- Find an art buddy or community. This is the opposite of jury! ;) Where you go when you're feeling like your work sucks and you'll never be good, and they'll remind you of all the ways you're awesome.

Edit: 110% agree with sibling comment re: grids for proportion work, when you're learning. Inability to maintain proportion across the work is a huge source of beginner "doesn't look right"ness. Eventually you'll internalize it, and get better at relative proportion with other things in the drawing, but they're a good crutch to start with.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#67
The best art instruction I ever found was when I took a portraiture class and an anatomy class through the local art shop, though I don't think anything can replace just doing it all the time. Much like fishing and software development, there's a million schools of thought on how to do it the right way. If you can find one of them that jives with you, it can be great, but you can spend a decade searching for a perfect method and never find it.

One of my favorite artists, Stanislav Krawczyk (instagram.com/standarkart), has cerebral palsy and creates fantastic portraits. It's not because he can make a perfect line, but he knows where to put the lines he can make.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#68
Two suggestions to add to the many excellent ones already here:

Arthur Wesley Dow’s Composition: A Series of Exercises Selected From a New System of Art Education [0] is a wonderful, wonderful book in the public domain – recently submitted here but didn't get much attention. It is well worth spending a lot of time studying its exercises and examples.

[0] https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/dow-composition/

My second suggestion is more general but it worked wonders for me. I had a teacher years ago whose take-home assignments consisted of extremely rudimentary drawing exercises, starting with drawing a series of straight lines in parallel across a page, then moving on to squares, circles etc but always basic geometric shapes. His point was that drawing is, at its most basic level, a physical skill like many others which require physical and neurological adaptations that can only be improved with practice. In addition to the creating these lines and shapes, one was obliged to pay strict attention to their relation to other marks on the page – your circles could not overlap, for example, and your straight lines must run parallel and start and end at the same page border. The lines had to start and end very definitely at the correct point. He was also keen to examine and correct each student's physical stance in relation to the easel, the light, and the subject, and insisted we draw from the shoulder, not the elbow or wrist, as much as possible. The goal was to train one's whole body to gain full control over where the instrument marks the page.

For some students this practically remedial approach seemed almost insulting and a few would balk at it, but it was just incredible how much even very mediocre drafting skills improved when these exercises were applied diligently, including my own. I'm sorry that I don't know a name for this pedagogical system or a book that explains it.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#69

Commercial artist for 45 years. Also a developer, FWIW, mostly graphics programming since the late 1970s. _Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain_ is actually one of the best places to start. I know you said you tried it. But try it this way: Ignore all the theory and the stories the author tells. It’s mostly nonsense. But the exercises are actually very good. The trick is to not care about the result and about makin…

> I’m in my 60s and have been drawing seriously since my early teens. > I’m just getting started. I think this is intended to be encouraging, but to me it has the opposite effect. If it's going to take me 45 years to just get started, then I won't waste my time on it, I'll do something else instead. Is it possible that you're not just getting started, but you are still learning things, albeit at a much slower rate th…

It takes decades to get professional good at precision physical skills.

That's not to say you won't be twice as good of a drawer as you are now, in 2 years of serious practice.

But if you're measuring yourself against people who have spent their entire lives working on a thing... it's going to take some time to get to that level.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone here have good material for learning how to sketch from scratch?

#70
Honestly, practice practice practice. Don’t try to make that one perfect drawing, make hundreds average ones. The most difficult skill is not how to render the perfect line or gradient but to really “see” what is in front of you and not fill in the gaps.

Photos are nice, I like the website line of action if you want to learn to draw people. Try to draw from real life as much as possible. Draw what is at you desk, your family, people around you in a café. It is much more difficult at the start, but you will progress so much faster.

Also, is there anyone with good recommendations to learn more about (modern) art and art history?

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