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Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by tychobrahe »

dorian-graph wrote: post #85
slashclee wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Tell that to the millions of Xbox 360 owners whose consoles died with the red ring of death.

.. and all the iPhone users and the slew of hardware problems they faced.

I'm sorry, where do you get that? I never had a problem with iPhones, nor know anyone who ever did, except for a cracked screen or another. No antenna-gate here either. C'mon...

On the other hand, I have a 3RL'd XBox which was promptly replaced with a newer one, since it's still an amazing product and have some friends who had the same problem.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by tychobrahe »

varunsrin wrote: post #50
eykanal wrote: post #46

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If that's the case, why are so many tech bloggers treating this as though it's the "OS that will defeat the iPad"? If everyone thought as you do, then they would realize that comparing this to a shipped product which has already been evaluated by the public is a pretty poor comparison, and Gruber's argument stands pretty strong.

Fair point, Thurrott calling this the iPad killer is pre-emptive, and Gruber is right in that respect. I was railing on Gruber's snide remark about "ship something real", where he is subtly making the point that shipping when a product is final is the right way to do things. EDIT: Typos

C'mon let's be fair here... What Gruber said was that "the right way to do things" depends on whether the person is writing for Apple or for Microsoft, and he (as punctuated by the "To me") doesn't feel like MS's way is the right way.

The whole article was about how different expectations are, and the process... oh, and, ironically, both user bases are equally passionate.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by hamedh »

varunsrin wrote: post #44
chaostheory wrote: post #38

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> Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not control the entire vertical stack. They don't really have direct control over hardware or retail distribution (some notable exceptions - Xbox, Microsoft stores etc., but you know what I mean - it's nothing like Apple's top-down approach) I think most people in our field, including Gruber, are well aware that MS doesn't have full control of the stack. It's good to note, but at the e…

The argument is not about which product is better, its about which release methodology results in a better product, which I claim is a pointless argument when you are shipping different products. Yes, customers will judge them equally when the product ships - but the developer release isn't for customers. Its for developers and partners

apple also releases beta iOS and OS X for months in advance so developers can test and write apps against the new release.

but noticeably they don't unveil new hardware until it's ready and stable for the public. the knock on most competitors is that the overall experience is underwhelming or way too beta, which hardware is a big component.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by jonhohle »

ethank wrote: post #52
varunsrin wrote: post #48

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Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Apple does not launch unfinished iPads (hardware + software product) Microsoft launches unfinished Windows builds (software). Apple launches unfinished Lion builds (software). The question is flawed in that it assumes that they companies have different release methodologies for the same class of products. Both Microsoft & Apple are making simi…

Actually Microsoft hardware has previewed unfinished hardware which didn't debut at all, or was radically changed: Microsoft Spot Digital Home Courier Tablet And don't get me started on their abandon-ware hardware projects (Networking, WebTV, Digital Photo TV, Zune, Microsoft at Work, MS Automotive, etc)

Don't forget about the Microsoft Cordless Phone (http://web.archive.org/web/20000301023950/http://www.microso...) or, of course, Kin.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by FxChiP »

sambeau wrote: post #49
doyoulikeworms wrote: post #17

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I think the reasoning behind the newer Windows phone OSes being a "breath of fresh air" is not so much that they're 100% original (what is?) or mind blowing. It's refreshing because it is, simply put, different . Android and iOS much more closely resemble each other than either resembles any recent Windows phone OS. That's my take, anyway.

Android much more closely resembles iOS. That's my take, anyway.

My phone and Nook Color are both running CyanogenMod 7, which essentially amounts to stock Android 2.3.3/2.3.4 with tweaks. I do not think they could look more different from iOS. Where is this "resemblance" theory coming from?

EDIT: By "tweaks" I mean "under the hood", as far as I can tell.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by sedev »

A bit of historical perspective may prove helpful: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/04/15/thurrott-claim-c...

Paul Thurott's track record when it comes to making predictions about the iPad is terrible. There's simply no reason to take him seriously, and perhaps we should really be criticizing Gruber for the tech blogging equivalent of being a prominent biologist stooping to debating creationists.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by DeusExMachina »

barista wrote: post #60
barista wrote: post #23

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Only an apple fanboy can side with an opinion based on the color scheme and visual appearance of the site. :)

Note to self: Never make a joke about apple fanboys. They might have a better sense of design but poor comedic sense and would slam you down with downvotes.

Or maybe you will be downvoted by all the HN crowd according to the rules "don't call names" and "only contribute with something that adds value to the discussion" and "don't complain for being downvoted.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by scorpion032 »

magicalist wrote: post #55
eykanal wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's the case, why are so many tech bloggers treating this as though it's the "OS that will defeat the iPad"? If everyone thought as you do, then they would realize that comparing this to a shipped product which has already been evaluated by the public is a pretty poor comparison, and Gruber's argument stands pretty strong.

> If that's the case, why are so many tech bloggers treating this as though it's the "OS that will defeat the iPad"? Seriously? Because tech bloggers are morons that want to sensationalize their story but can't seem to come up with a new way to do it. You might as well ask why every vaguely scandalous political story is labeled "something-gate." Spoiler: it's probably not because the comparison to watergate is in any…

He is not talking about moron bloggers. Paul Thrott and BGR. Gruber said "He is not alone" as well.

Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...

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Post by rimantas »

dorian-graph wrote: post #85
slashclee wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Tell that to the millions of Xbox 360 owners whose consoles died with the red ring of death.

.. and all the iPhone users and the slew of hardware problems they faced.

Care to list? I mean real problems, not media going mad over non-issue (like antennagate). More people were annoyed by miscalibrated proximity sensor but that was fixed in software.
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