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Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, "the question is: which approach is right?" assumes that either company COULD change their approach. Should they? Don't conflate what is reality with what could be. If that was the case there wouldn't be an iPad (or X-Box, or Metro).
Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Apple does not launch unfinished iPads (hardware + software product) Microsoft launches unfinished Windows builds (software). Apple launches unfinished Lion builds (software). The question is flawed in that it assumes that they companies have different release methodologies for the same class of products. Both Microsoft & Apple are making simi…
Actually Microsoft hardware has previewed unfinished hardware which didn't debut at all, or was radically changed:
Microsoft Spot
Digital Home
Courier Tablet
And don't get me started on their abandon-ware hardware projects (Networking, WebTV, Digital Photo TV, Zune, Microsoft at Work, MS Automotive, etc)
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
My comment was only on the matter of taste that the parent brought up. Take a look at Gruber's rates, he's raking in the advertising money, yet in a neatly packaged way.
I agree with that, and with the proposition that that shows that he has better taste in web design than Thurott.
Agree. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he has better opinion as well :)
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
One could reasonably point out that this is a minority view and most reviews of Lion are pretty positive.
Not to intentionally play the middle but I can see both sides of this. Lion can be considered a finished product but it feels like the OS is in the beginning of a metamorphosis and it may be vastly different 5-10 years from now.
Honestly haven't used Lion myself but this seems to be a consensus view. "Incoherent mess" does not seem to be the consensus view.
That said, I hereby reserve the right to come back in a few days under the unlikely circumstance that my machine blows up and (further unlikely circumstance) that I replace with a mac and tell you that it turns out I also find it to be an "incoherent mess".
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
The argument is not about which product is better, its about which release methodology results in a better product, which I claim is a pointless argument when you are shipping different products. Yes, customers will judge them equally when the product ships - but the developer release isn't for customers. Its for developers and partners
If that's the case, why are so many tech bloggers treating this as though it's the "OS that will defeat the iPad"? If everyone thought as you do, then they would realize that comparing this to a shipped product which has already been evaluated by the public is a pretty poor comparison, and Gruber's argument stands pretty strong.
> If that's the case, why are so many tech bloggers treating this as though it's the "OS that will defeat the iPad"?
Seriously?
Because tech bloggers are morons that want to sensationalize their story but can't seem to come up with a new way to do it. You might as well ask why every vaguely scandalous political story is labeled "something-gate." Spoiler: it's probably not because the comparison to watergate is in any way interesting.
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again, "the question is: which approach is right?" assumes that either company COULD change their approach. Should they? Don't conflate what is reality with what could be. If that was the case there wouldn't be an iPad (or X-Box, or Metro).
Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Apple does not launch unfinished iPads (hardware + software product) Microsoft launches unfinished Windows builds (software). Apple launches unfinished Lion builds (software). The question is flawed in that it assumes that they companies have different release methodologies for the same class of products. Both Microsoft & Apple are making simi…
Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony absolutely "launch" unfinished consoles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_U
The more 3rd party applications you need on your platform, the longer a lead time you need to give to those 3rd parties. And for that matter -- Apple does launch unfinished iOS builds/features.
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft does not launch unfinished Xboxes (hardware + software product). Apple does not launch unfinished iPads (hardware + software product) Microsoft launches unfinished Windows builds (software). Apple launches unfinished Lion builds (software). The question is flawed in that it assumes that they companies have different release methodologies for the same class of products. Both Microsoft & Apple are making simi…
Actually Microsoft hardware has previewed unfinished hardware which didn't debut at all, or was radically changed: Microsoft Spot Digital Home Courier Tablet And don't get me started on their abandon-ware hardware projects (Networking, WebTV, Digital Photo TV, Zune, Microsoft at Work, MS Automotive, etc)
This argument thread is rapidly diverging from the original issue. You are now talking about product announcements, not releases. Windows 8 was 'released' today, not announced like the Courier was.
Your current argument now is about a different problem (one that Longhorn / Vista faced), which is about announcing features before they were actually implemented and ready for release.
I'm not going to continue this, I believe my point has been made.
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#58> "I simply wish to direct your attention at how utterly different the two companies are." >"Me? I’d be appalled if Apple were to unveil something in the half- (if that) finished state of Windows 8 for tablets. I enjoy writing about what’s real" What Gruber claims to understand, but actually doesn't, is that the Microsoft ecosystem is a very different beast than the Apple ecosystem. Microsoft, unlike Apple, does not…
Microsoft cannot afford secrecy because they are so far behind. When this thing ships Apple with be halfway through their third generation.
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#59Ok this is radically entertaining. This is 2 people commenting on how someone who created something decides to show it to the world and they have made a penis-length measurement contest of it. And these 2 people made a net contribution of 0 to the creations themselves.
There should be an "Analyst" flag on posts like this.
Re: All His Life Has He Looked Away, to the Future...
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I took a look at Thurrott's site and was greeted with a big popover ad splatted across the page, so captain slate grey wins at least one point in the taste stakes.
Only an apple fanboy can side with an opinion based on the color scheme and visual appearance of the site. :)
Note to self: Never make a joke about apple fanboys. They might have a better sense of design but poor comedic sense and would slam you down with downvotes.