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School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

1AM? you are tough mate. I was in bed by 10PM-10:30 in high school, broken in every sense of the word. If I was lucky I could actually pull off a 11PM but it was rare.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I was in Grade 7 the first time they closed schools here in Ontario. I certainly didn't get enough sleep, usually around five or six, maybe seven hours at most. The second time around was even worse. I didn't do work, I didn't go outside, all I did was mess about on my computer. In general, it was- and is- a horribly unhealthy experience for me, both mentally and physically. Although, I still struggle with this "remo…

If I were to guess how all this will end is some side effective of restrictions will read its ugly head - mental health, economic recession, or just general civil disobedience. Then suddenly we’ll be told “trade offs need to be made” and “the vaccines provide enough protection to relax restrictions”. The fact that we’re 2 years into it and with a population that is mostly vaccine and at a much reduced risk yet the re…

The restrictions are definitely not the same as they were 2 years ago when this all started. Schools shut, everyone working from home, no bar/cafe/restaurants, no outdoor social activities qas what we had then. In the last two weeks I've been to a bar twice and the cinema. I don't know of anywhere in the world (but could be wrong) that is still in that form of lock down right now.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

In Why We Sleep by Matthew Walker there is a fascinating chapter about how teenagers are biologically programmed to sleep later and wake up later as well. He then explains that basically sending teenagers to school early in the morning is terrible health-wise and prevents optimal brain development.

Anecdata of course but I remember much like you being extremely sleepy at school all day and sleeping a lot on weekends.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Apparently rumors were afloat on certain sites towards the middle of December. But parent post could also just have gotten dates pushed backwards or forwards a bit.

Do you have links to these certain sites/more info?

Unfortunately, the best I have is a screenshot of a weibo screen inside a discord server that is now defunct so no luck on getting that out.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

In Paris or London, kids are not given a ride to school for a lack of alternatives. No personal experience with Barcelona, but the public transport network looks pretty good, too. Of course, public transport shouldn't be necessary for most city kids, which ought to have a school in walking and certainly biking[1] distance. It'd be interesting to see the distribution of distance to school in different locations and fo…

You’re assuming that all schools are the same, they’re certainly not.

Yes, kids that already live in the city won’t obviously get taken to school by car, but most good schools in the periphery better have a way to handle the cars.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I looked it up and it has nothing to do with the n-word other than vaguely sounding like it. Is it verboten too now? How about rigger? Sound too close as well?

You missed the point then

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

I'm actually in Paris, but grated, I have no idea how things are in Barcelona or London. I agree that transportation here has many issues and I absolutely hate it, but when I was a kid [0] I could get to school fine with the suburban train. My classmates had no issue getting there with the bus (regular, not school bus). > Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin jus…

At what age where you riding the train by yourself?

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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I remember waking up to go to school every morning at 6:45 and taking the bus every day at 7:05 when I was in high school in France. Most months the sun hadn't even risen yet. It was punishing, and I definitely was sleep deprived by the end of the week. Because of the schedule, my parents had me go to sleep around 9pm but I had a hard time sleeping then and tended to not fall asleep before midnight/1 am. I'd either l…

We rejected several schools last year for exactly this reason.

One in particular made a huge virtue out of being super early. That one we didn't even bother assessing on other dimensions.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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> As others have said, in Europe (at least in the cities where I grew up) transportation is not an issue. Clearly you didn’t grew in Barcelona, or Paris, or London, … Back when I had a car commute for work I could tell the day the school summer holidays begin just by how much it took me to get to work.

Isn't it more that parents often take vacations when their children have their, thus less congestion ? At least in Paris itself, only a third of homes have cars, and in this third, not everyone is going to bring its children to school using it.

Not really, here school ends up at a given date (it’s generally around the 20th of June). It doesn’t matter if it’s Tuesday, and most parents will be still working until August.

Re: School closures led to more sleep and better quality of life for adolescents

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Anywhere you have enough density for a metro local schools are going to be within walking distance.

Ah yes. The Parisian streets. Much safer.

What would be your solution? I hope not the car, that ruins children's self-reliance and is generally to be avoided. Also clutters the streets.
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