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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by BeefySwain »

BeefySwain wrote: post #21

NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.

Hijacking here to say, literally all you need to get access to someones employment + salary history is their SSN and birthdate.

edit: and a past employer that used this system

Birthdays are extremely easy to get (public record), and I seem to recall a specific large organization leaking a bunch of SSN's not too long ago.......

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by jonahbenton »

zacmps wrote: post #84
jonahbenton wrote: post #75

This is a good use case for the web3 ecosystem, or at least for those working on the decentralization, personal data ownership and control parts. It should be obvious that it is important to employers to be able to verify the claims made by people who are applying to them for jobs. Claims of employment or education or credential or skill or whatever. That's what zero trust is all about, isn't it? That need is the rea…

There's no need to involve 'web3' (whatever that even means) in this. Simple crypto is all you'd need to produce a verifiable employment record; each company has a key and signs a document conveying whatever information you want (x person employed for y years etc).

Indeed there is.

This is a mechanism design problem- a behavioral protocol problem- not a technology one. That's what web3 is about.

And downvoting my question is ridiculous.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by detaro »

ratsmack wrote: post #83
tomrod wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When?

It's amazing, but they did: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/equifax-ceo-hired-a-music-...

That alone really doesn't mean much. Security has even more than other areas of IT many people with "odd" backgrounds.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by starwind »

If you have privacy concerns, you can put fraud alerts and put a free credit freeze your credit reports

Equifax: https://www.equifax.com/personal/credit-report-services/cred...

Experian: https://www.experian.com/freeze/center.html

TransUnion: https://www.transunion.com/credit-freeze

And also freeze a few other reports

NCTUE (utilities and telecom): https://www.nctue.com/consumers

ChexSystems (banking): https://www.chexsystems.com/web/chexsystems/consumerdebit/pa...

Innovis (another CRA): https://www.innovis.com/personal/securityFreeze

LexisNexus (apparently insurance companies pull from them): https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/freeze

Work Number: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze

You can delete information from Plaid: https://plaid.com/legal/data-protection-request-form/

And usually you can talk to your doctor’s office about putting a flag on your medical records so they have to call you before releasing them to a third party

You can also opt out of Visa, Mastercard, and AmEx sharing information (individual banks may vary). You can also ask banks about additional security for your bank account.

Visa: https://marketingreportoptout.visa.com/OPTOUT/request.do

Mastercard: https://www.mastercard.us/en-us/vision/corp-responsibility/c...

Amex: https://www.americanexpress.com/us/privacy-center/

I also suggest setting up an IRS pin: https://www.irs.gov/identity-theft-fraud-scams/get-an-identi...

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by rhacker »

vulcan01 wrote: post #74
givemeethekeys wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, I didn't opt in for them to have this information about me to begin with.

You don't need to. Your employer can give this info to whoever they want, and many give this data to Equifax or one of the other credit agencies. Also, you might give your bank employment details, and your bank will most likely send that info to a credit agency as well. There's not much of an escape.

Opt out of the system as soon as you possibly can. No mortgage, no bank, no address, no traditional job.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by jonahbenton »

tdeck wrote: post #82
jf wrote: post #30

Learning that this website exists, and then finding detailed and accurate information in my record is what convinced me to start sharing my salary data with my peers. As I see it, this database is a breach of an implicit social contract between me and the companies that I work for. Since my employers apparently have no issues sharing my salary with their peers, I see no reason not to do the same with my peers.

This kind of belies every company's excuse for not having comp transparency - that it's proprietary information they don't want competitors to know. Not only do they share these details on specific employees, they also provide percentile data to HR consultancies that use that to help set salary bands. Ever wonder when a company says they pay X% of market? They know that because everyone is sharing this info and they'…

No, it doesn't. Because comp transparency is within a company. And this is outside a company. Think about the venn diagram of participants.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by bradlys »

dataflow wrote: post #90
BeefySwain wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It appears to be even more restrictive then that: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... > An employer shall not rely on the salary history information of an applicant for employment as a factor in determining whether to offer employment to an applicant or what salary to offer an applicant. That being said, how do you enforce a provision like that in the face of every company having all infor…

Oh, interesting, thanks! And now I wonder if this includes compensation besides salary.

If you get RSUs - it does. It shows up in my payroll quite clearly as an obvious bump when I vest. You can even tell when I'm deferring for 401k.

It's absolutely fucked. I'm guessing this is an integration with ADP - who my current employer uses.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by redanddead »

jonahbenton wrote: post #75

This is a good use case for the web3 ecosystem, or at least for those working on the decentralization, personal data ownership and control parts. It should be obvious that it is important to employers to be able to verify the claims made by people who are applying to them for jobs. Claims of employment or education or credential or skill or whatever. That's what zero trust is all about, isn't it? That need is the rea…

I think it would depend a lot on who has the power in said product. The business model of the product.

If it's tailored towards workers, it could be as simple as a key that you, the employee, could revoke at any time, making the centralized data void. Something like rainbow.me

For the b2b model... well it could be like equifax I guess? Offer to provide that service to the business to check the data, while allowing the user to revoke it at any time, for a small fee paid in the crypto of your choice perhaps paid by the business for accessing the data.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by jiveturkey »

jf wrote: post #30

Learning that this website exists, and then finding detailed and accurate information in my record is what convinced me to start sharing my salary data with my peers. As I see it, this database is a breach of an implicit social contract between me and the companies that I work for. Since my employers apparently have no issues sharing my salary with their peers, I see no reason not to do the same with my peers.

I'm not sure how these go together. No problem sharing to your peers regardless of what your employer shares.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by zacmps »

jonahbenton wrote: post #92
zacmps wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to involve 'web3' (whatever that even means) in this. Simple crypto is all you'd need to produce a verifiable employment record; each company has a key and signs a document conveying whatever information you want (x person employed for y years etc).

Indeed there is. This is a mechanism design problem- a behavioral protocol problem- not a technology one. That's what web3 is about. And downvoting my question is ridiculous.

I don't have the ability to downvote, it's locked behind reputation (not sure of the exact amount).

Show me the problem with an alternative solution, don't preach about supposed benefits.

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