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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by rdtwo »

BeefySwain wrote: post #64
dataflow wrote: post #23

How does this work in California given that employers cannot ask for a candidate's salary even through an agent? Does this not qualify? Effective January 1, 2018, Labor Code section 432.3 prohibits an employer from, either orally or in writing, personally or through an agent, asking any information concerning an applicant’s salary history information, which includes compensation as well as benefits. [1] [1] https://w…

It appears to be even more restrictive then that: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... > An employer shall not rely on the salary history information of an applicant for employment as a factor in determining whether to offer employment to an applicant or what salary to offer an applicant. That being said, how do you enforce a provision like that in the face of every company having all infor…

Won’t eqifax tell you if someone requests the data therefore you can tell if the law is violated

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by tdeck »

jf wrote: post #30

Learning that this website exists, and then finding detailed and accurate information in my record is what convinced me to start sharing my salary data with my peers. As I see it, this database is a breach of an implicit social contract between me and the companies that I work for. Since my employers apparently have no issues sharing my salary with their peers, I see no reason not to do the same with my peers.

This kind of belies every company's excuse for not having comp transparency - that it's proprietary information they don't want competitors to know. Not only do they share these details on specific employees, they also provide percentile data to HR consultancies that use that to help set salary bands. Ever wonder when a company says they pay X% of market? They know that because everyone is sharing this info and they're doing it too.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by ratsmack »

tomrod wrote: post #43
throwawaygh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already have that info. In fact, they already hired a music major CISO who leaked all that data in a stunning display of executive incompetence.

When?

It's amazing, but they did:

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/equifax-ceo-hired-a-music-...

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by zacmps »

jonahbenton wrote: post #75

This is a good use case for the web3 ecosystem, or at least for those working on the decentralization, personal data ownership and control parts. It should be obvious that it is important to employers to be able to verify the claims made by people who are applying to them for jobs. Claims of employment or education or credential or skill or whatever. That's what zero trust is all about, isn't it? That need is the rea…

There's no need to involve 'web3' (whatever that even means) in this.

Simple crypto is all you'd need to produce a verifiable employment record; each company has a key and signs a document conveying whatever information you want (x person employed for y years etc).

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by hypothesis »

mgraczyk wrote: post #54

Very interesting, I didn't expect the accuracy and detail in this data. All of my pay from Intel, Google, Facebook is in here. Qualcomm apparently did not report. Also, Google (my latest employer) pulled the data just before I started working, after giving me an offer. My credit card company pulls the data every month, sometimes 2-3 times per month. Several mortgage originators have also pulled the data even though I…

If they pulled salary info after making an offer, then this is likely qualified as verification of data that prospective employee submitted. They can probably revoke that offer if one provided misleading info during application.

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Post by registeredcorn »

vulcan01 wrote: post #74
givemeethekeys wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, I didn't opt in for them to have this information about me to begin with.

You don't need to. Your employer can give this info to whoever they want, and many give this data to Equifax or one of the other credit agencies. Also, you might give your bank employment details, and your bank will most likely send that info to a credit agency as well. There's not much of an escape.

What exactly do employers and banks stand to gain from sharing this information? Is it an exchange of information for money?

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by varenc »

BeefySwain wrote: post #21

NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.

Wow placing a freeze requires filling out a PDF form, attaching a scan of your ID, and then sending it in over email, mail, or fax. The PDF lacks built in form fields you can type in. The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...)

The Equifax CCPA request process on the other hand is very smooth and automated. Though doesn't seem like it's including Work Number information: https://myprivacy.equifax.com/

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by throwawaygh »

throwawayboise wrote: post #46
throwawaygh wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already have that info. In fact, they already hired a music major CISO who leaked all that data in a stunning display of executive incompetence.

None of that information should be considered private any longer, if it ever really was.

Well, Equifax still considers it sufficient to claim your identity...

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by dataflow »

BeefySwain wrote: post #64
dataflow wrote: post #23

How does this work in California given that employers cannot ask for a candidate's salary even through an agent? Does this not qualify? Effective January 1, 2018, Labor Code section 432.3 prohibits an employer from, either orally or in writing, personally or through an agent, asking any information concerning an applicant’s salary history information, which includes compensation as well as benefits. [1] [1] https://w…

It appears to be even more restrictive then that: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio... > An employer shall not rely on the salary history information of an applicant for employment as a factor in determining whether to offer employment to an applicant or what salary to offer an applicant. That being said, how do you enforce a provision like that in the face of every company having all infor…

Oh, interesting, thanks! And now I wonder if this includes compensation besides salary.
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