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Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by nightski »

fartingflamingo wrote: post #49
Gustomaximus wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

State housing has a place, but I think they really need to fix the demand side of investors. There should be significant deterant to holding residential property in large scale. While options are varied I think a progressive asset tax of total property owned. Something like 0.5% per million starting on the second million. Maybe some principle place of residence reduction. So most people can have a house even a second…

First home? 3% real estate transaction tax, or 1% if renovating up to high energy savings specs. Any other home? 12% real estate transaction tax. That's roughly how it works in the Flanders region of Belgium from 2022.

Many people want and/or need to rent. How would this not just drive up rent 9%

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by nightski »

ac29 wrote: post #87
reducesuffering wrote: post #62

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As I pointed out earlier, this problem is solved by adding building supply to balance out the supply-demand imbalance causing property to appreciate and be a source of speculation. No one will "invest" in real estate if adequate supply causes no price increases. Any ad-hoc state involved bandaids like rent-control, foreign ownership laws, etc. are unnecessary.

How do you add building supply when there is no undeveloped land? There are no empty lots in high demand areas. You'd have to increase density, and most places it will be difficult to displace people from their homes to tear them down and redevelop them.

Make other areas more attractive?

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by foerbert »

TeeMassive wrote: post #51
foerbert wrote: post #17

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You started by dismissing the proposed solution out of hand and then went on to attack a strawman. You do end with a couple ideas of your own, but overall I find this comment more disingenuous than not.

I merely pointed obvious problems in your argument. Then your reply to my comment make accusations but has no substantive explanations at all, which also means it can be dismissed as such.

It wasn't my argument. I was explaining why I downvoted your comment, which I probably should have been more clear about.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by zapataband1 »

TeeMassive wrote: post #88
zapataband1 wrote: post #57

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_Vietnam#:~:text=S... .

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party Even if they came from poor families, the founders of the Black Panthers were two college students, not workers. Malcolm X was not a Marxist. > https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations Demonstrations are almost only a fraction of the most activist of the youth. And yet no "spontaneous workers revolt". Also from the article: > Chile’s middle class, rather th…

Marxism is itself not an ideology more of an analytical framework. The word we should both be using is Communist and yes Malcom X was a communist. "In 1950, the FBI opened a file on Malcolm after he wrote a letter from prison to President Truman expressing opposition to the Korean War and declaring himself a communist."

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by zapataband1 »

TeeMassive wrote: post #88
zapataband1 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_in_Vietnam#:~:text=S... .

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party Even if they came from poor families, the founders of the Black Panthers were two college students, not workers. Malcolm X was not a Marxist. > https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations Demonstrations are almost only a fraction of the most activist of the youth. And yet no "spontaneous workers revolt". Also from the article: > Chile’s middle class, rather th…

You're right I forgot that all of these people acted alone, and that there were absolutely no young poor people involved in any of these worker movements. I also forgot that college students remain college students forever and don't become workers, probably went straight to wall street being rich and black in those times.

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Post by eigengrau5150 »

londgine wrote: post #82
eigengrau5150 wrote: post #76

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This is kinda tangential and hella cynical, so feel free to ignore the following. > Does the positive right for every child to receive 12 years of education result in slavery? It isn't slavery. It's just imprisonment. At least, that's how it felt to me and it's how it feels to a lot of kids who haven't lost touch with their own true feelings in order to please the adults around them. I don't think children actually g…

> It's just imprisonment I think you misunderstood my comment. I was countering the claim that positive rights (such as the right to healthcare) cause slavery (for the doctor). In the context of TeeMassive's comment, he was implying that doctors would be forced to provide their labor to patients if the government declared a right to healthcare. My comment about how the right to childhood education does not cause slav…

That's what I get for trolling right-wing trolls at zero-dark-thirty. Sorry.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by TeeMassive »

zapataband1 wrote: post #95
TeeMassive wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party Even if they came from poor families, the founders of the Black Panthers were two college students, not workers. Malcolm X was not a Marxist. > https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations Demonstrations are almost only a fraction of the most activist of the youth. And yet no "spontaneous workers revolt". Also from the article: > Chile’s middle class, rather th…

You're right I forgot that all of these people acted alone, and that there were absolutely no young poor people involved in any of these worker movements. I also forgot that college students remain college students forever and don't become workers, probably went straight to wall street being rich and black in those times.

Some workers, most didn't. The fact that every sine communist regime has to use censorship and suppression at all times to keep going is really telling of the actual lack of support they have.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by TeeMassive »

zapataband1 wrote: post #94
TeeMassive wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party Even if they came from poor families, the founders of the Black Panthers were two college students, not workers. Malcolm X was not a Marxist. > https://www.city-journal.org/chile-demonstrations Demonstrations are almost only a fraction of the most activist of the youth. And yet no "spontaneous workers revolt". Also from the article: > Chile’s middle class, rather th…

Marxism is itself not an ideology more of an analytical framework. The word we should both be using is Communist and yes Malcom X was a communist. "In 1950, the FBI opened a file on Malcolm after he wrote a letter from prison to President Truman expressing opposition to the Korean War and declaring himself a communist."

You are making a distinction without making a difference in the argument. "it's not an ideology, it's an analytical framework", sounds more like a bad marketing campaign than a compelling argument.

> The word we should both be using is Communist and yes Malcom X was a communist. "In 1950, the FBI opened a file on Malcolm after he wrote a letter from prison to President Truman expressing opposition to the Korean War and declaring himself a communist."

You are taking things out of context. At the time anti-communism was used and abused to suppress all sort of inconvenient political movements. Saying "then yeah I'm a communist" in defiance didn't make you one.

Also:

https://www.marxist.com/malcolm-x-forty-years-after.htm

> Malcolm X was always a man who was rethinking and recreating himself, but there is no concrete documentation that he was on the verge of becoming a Marxist, or even a socialist.

https://www.socialist.net/malcolm-x-you-show-me-a-capitalist...

> Despite the opinion of some so-called Marxist groups in the US and abroad, Malcolm X was not a socialist, and he never claimed to be.

https://socialistresurgence.org/2020/02/21/malcolm-x-black-n...

> His evolution was incomplete—or rather, incompleted. He was not, or was not yet, as Breitman is careful to point out, a Marxist.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by zapataband1 »

TeeMassive wrote: post #98
zapataband1 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marxism is itself not an ideology more of an analytical framework. The word we should both be using is Communist and yes Malcom X was a communist. "In 1950, the FBI opened a file on Malcolm after he wrote a letter from prison to President Truman expressing opposition to the Korean War and declaring himself a communist."

You are making a distinction without making a difference in the argument. "it's not an ideology, it's an analytical framework", sounds more like a bad marketing campaign than a compelling argument. > The word we should both be using is Communist and yes Malcom X was a communist. "In 1950, the FBI opened a file on Malcolm after he wrote a letter from prison to President Truman expressing opposition to the Korean War a…

I'm wasn't arguing merely mentioning that we are both incorrectly using language. Didn't know that was marketing. Fair enough on Malcolm.

Still think it is not correct to oversimply massive worker movements that have toppled governments, the nazis, and the US military as merely college students.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Post by reducesuffering »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #86
reducesuffering wrote: post #72

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It doesn't really matter that there are exceptions where some areas are naturally more desirable because land isn't fungible. What matters is that there are available housing units approaching the limit of construction cost pricing so that people can have a place to live without being affected by luxuries like "wanting a lakefront home."

My point isn't that there aren't some exceptions it's that there are tons, maybe literally hundreds or thousands of factors into the supply/demand equation here. what kind of internet is available in the area? How close are you to grocery stores? Is there a HOA that you have to pay dues to? What's the weather like? Is the home up to date or is the wiring and plumbing likely to need a lot of work? How big is the lot?…

Internet infrastructure, closeness to grocery stores, homes being up to date, walk-ability, close schools, access to transit, are all improved by building more dense housing.

We can also be quite certain that providing the bare minimum housing pulls in demand from those more luxurious options (wants) to the more economically practical option (needs), because the bare minimum option was never available. We'd be giving people more choices and at least some would take it.

Then if you have so many people that "demand" a certain standard of luxury housing, then they will have to compete and pay the premiums for the actual limited resources like lakefront property or great schools (living near other like-minded wealthier people). That's the realities of scarce resources, and is fine, since there's not much we can improve there. But the major gap is providing the bare minimum of housing which we are currently not doing.

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