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Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by SantalBlush »

hammock wrote: post #64
newacct583 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess, but that imparts a level of uniform direction that isn't really known. It could very well be that the PRC government does not know themselves whether or not covid was a lab leak, because who the fuck knows what those beaker heads were doing. They just want to be sure that if it was a lab leak, that no one ever knows. Basically: totalitarian governments suppress everything. It's what they do. It's not like th…

>Imagine it was a leak. Dozens or hundreds of people -- researchers with PhDs and international cred and travel ability -- would have had to be knowledgeable about the research and in on the coverup Maybe. And? Dozens or hundreds of internationally-relevant people would have been knowledgeable about the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's specific involvement in 9/11, but that didn't stop it from being covered up for almost a…

The Saudi Government's involvement in 9/11 was public knowledge shortly after it happened. I read about it around 2002. It just didn't get media coverage.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by 99_00 »

TooKool4This wrote: post #77
908B64B197 wrote: post #12

Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember how you would get banned from Facebook for suggesting that the lab leak theory was a possibility? Then major social networks and the medias reversed their positions. What changed in the meantime, other than the president?

> Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember when the head of the previous administration thought injecting disinfectants or UV light was a possible solution to Covid? The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.

There was public information about the UVA catheter at the time Trump made his comments.

>The findings, published in the peer-reviewed journal Advances in Therapy, were based on five days of 20-minute treatments with ultraviolet A (UVA) light using a catheter inserted into the patients' tracheas. Patients were followed for 30 days. The findings were based on four patients; the fifth patient had no detectable levels of SARS-CoV-2 at the study outset.

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/reduced-viral-loads-se...

>The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back.

Are you talking about corporate media? They seem to break trust constantly, and a large % of the population continues to trust them.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by minikites »

nickff wrote: post #52
minikites wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we should take everything at face value and only investigate later, if at all?

I think skepticism should vary, and we should be quicker to verify than dismiss. This post made a specific, verifiable claim; I find that most misleading articles are vague and impossible to verify, or omit any context.

I agree, but I think there's another aspect to this. The way many news sources with an agenda operate is by mixing news and opinion (vague, impossible to verify, sometimes omit context, but grounded in reality). Where it starts to cross the line into propaganda is when news is mixed with misleading falsehoods and an active attempt to manipulate context. An individual associated with InfoWars should be viewed with a large amount of skepticism.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by vimy »

908B64B197 wrote: post #87
TMWNN wrote: post #67

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>I was told I had no idea how viruses work (this is true enough - I don't have a degree in biology) but still felt extremely gaslit. Similarly, on New Year's Eve 2015 I saw mention of the Cologne mass attacks on women by refugees as they were occurring on, yes, 4chan/pol/, and checked /r/worldnews and /r/europe to find out more. I didn't see anything, and assumed that it was another /pol/ "it's happening " dank mayma…

> by refugees Was it confirmed these men were legitimate refugees? > I only later realized that German media and those subreddits' mods had all worked to suppress news of the attacks until they could no longer be ignored. Why would they do that?

Yes, it was confirmed. It’s to protect the narrative that immigration is good for Europe.

Just like every time there is a religious terror knife attack they claim it’s someone with mental problems.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by SnowProblem »

TooKool4This wrote: post #77
908B64B197 wrote: post #12

Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember how you would get banned from Facebook for suggesting that the lab leak theory was a possibility? Then major social networks and the medias reversed their positions. What changed in the meantime, other than the president?

> Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember when the head of the previous administration thought injecting disinfectants or UV light was a possible solution to Covid? The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.

Aytu BioPharma is a small company bringing UV light into the body, and the early trials on COVID last year showed it worked. The same was true for Hydroxychloroquine too. You fell for propaganda.

https://aytubio.com/pipeline/healight-technology-platform/

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by dkersten »

causi wrote: post #26

I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.

My problem with the non-lab-leak story is that CCP went to great lengths to cover up and downplay the virus in the early months, largely contributing to its global spread and a bunch of coincidences would have had to line up just right for the wet market hypothesis to be true (just happened to be in the same city as the lab where they just happened to be studying the exact same thing, where the CCP just happened to threaten and arrest any doctors or scientists talking about it?). CCP has also in recent months tried to shift the blame to other countries and they wouldn't let the WHO investigate for over a year, plenty of time to dispose of any evidence if it was a lab leak.

While non of that proves anything, it certainly makes CCP look incredibly suspicious. Of course, if it was a lab leak, its pretty unlikely we will ever know. All I know is that the CCP acted extremely shady and that alone makes me doubt their official story. Again, this doesn't mean it wasn't the wet market hypothesis, but its clear that the CCP's word cannot be trusted.

We also know that viruses have leaked form high security labs in the past (including smallpox!) so its not exactly unheard of.

Some footnotes: Its important to separate China/Chinese people from the CCP. Its also important to separate "bioengineered" from "lab accident", I think the former is extremely unlikely and the latter is very possible.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by refenestrator »

causi wrote: post #26

I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.

How would the US react to a foreign-led investigation of us?

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by 908B64B197 »

99_00 wrote: post #92
TooKool4This wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember when the previous administration suggested looking into the Lab Leak theory and was laughed at? Remember when the head of the previous administration thought injecting disinfectants or UV light was a possible solution to Covid? The problem with trust and credibility is that once it’s lost, it’s very hard to gain back. Even if the broken clock is right twice a day, it’s still broken.

There was public information about the UVA catheter at the time Trump made his comments. >The findings, published in the peer-reviewed journal Advances in Therapy, were based on five days of 20-minute treatments with ultraviolet A (UVA) light using a catheter inserted into the patients' tracheas. Patients were followed for 30 days. The findings were based on four patients; the fifth patient had no detectable levels o…

Wait... that can't be true. Because the media immediately published this https://youtu.be/fr5OopWwp98 and they laughed the idea away.

So far I've seen no retractions.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by timy2shoes »

Mizza wrote: post #85
timy2shoes wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the jumping of viruses from animals to humans due to keeping them in close proximity is so unlikely that it's happened hundreds of times before (e.g. SARS, MERS, Spanish flu, bubonic plague).

If you're going down that route, you might also want to consider that there have been two other incidents of SARS escaping from labs in China: https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-...

I'm not excluding the lab hypothesis, I'm just pointing our that the natural hypothesis is also valid. Honestly, I don't think we're ever gonna figure out definitively which one it was (I don't think there's a 3rd competing theory). Even if it was a lab leak, I suspect that the evidence for that is gone.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Post by refenestrator »

derbOac wrote: post #82
siva7 wrote: post #71

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Again, this writeup is more about the bioengineering hypothesis while embarak states another theory. in it‘s current state the term lab leak has almost become meaningless

I think equating the lab leak hypothesis with climate change denial also caused me to tune out. It's just not acting in good faith. I also feel like if he's serious about it, he would produce something other than a tweet thread, at least a real blog post with links to papers he refers to. Otherwise it's hard for me to take them any more seriously than anyone else who handwaves about papers. It would be nice to see so…

You're asking people to prove a negative and then you're upset when they can't?

It's impossible to disprove but both SARS and Bird Flu crossed over from animals in Southern China so there's no reason it must have come from the lab, either. Right now we have zero evidence either way, just people speculating mostly based on their pre-existing opinions of the Chinese state.

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