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WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Edit: link has changed to ap news (didn't know that was even a thing you could do after posting to HN?) This story seems like more idle speculation with the backing of a semi-official source (but not in his official capacity). Absolutely no new evidence is presented in the story, it's just one person's opinion. Also, this source is a right-wing media org, and in comments to the Washington Post later he walked the sto…

Moderators change URLs all the time on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... Usually we explain why. Generally the goal is to have the best URL for supporting a substantive HN discussion. In this case the originally submitted URL was obviously not doing that.

More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172310

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is important to consider the context within which these suggestions were initially put forth. We had a president that claimed to have Coronavirus under control, that it was no worse than the flu and who openly and frequently cast doubt upon the only expert in the room. Perhaps had his behavior been a bit more tempered, he would have been taken more seriously.

That makes the media look worse, not better. Their true inclination is to think one thing but they self censored so they wouldn't be seen as agreeing with the bad orange man?

Come on man, Antifa's just an idea - some senile old idiot

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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If I post this to Facebook, or Twitter, what are the chances it will get taken down, or moderated?

It's a well known unreliable source, so pretty high? Edit: when this comment was written, the thread was pointing at summit.news, not AP.

AP News or WHO?

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.

I guess, but that imparts a level of uniform direction that isn't really known. It could very well be that the PRC government does not know themselves whether or not covid was a lab leak, because who the fuck knows what those beaker heads were doing. They just want to be sure that if it was a lab leak, that no one ever knows.

Basically: totalitarian governments suppress everything. It's what they do. It's not like the west had clear access inside facilities like WIV before the pandemic, so why do we expect different behavior now?

I remain really dubious, personally. Imagine it was a leak. Dozens or hundreds of people -- researchers with PhDs and international cred and travel ability -- would have had to be knowledgeable about the research and in on the coverup. Someone would have swung themselves an appointment at UCSF or Johns Hopkins or wherever in exchange for blabbing.

It's an attractive conspiracy, but really that's all there is. The existing circumstantial evidence is a big nothingburger (Chinese Institute of Virology studies known Chinese Viruses; News at 11!).

The ONLY significant evidence, itself still just a single source, is that the Journal reported that it was known to western intelligence agencies at the time that there was an outbreak of something flu-like among WIV employees in October 2020. That's I guess a little suspicious, but still unconfirmed and... really not enough to move the needle.

Add to that the fact that covid is a close cousin of already-known endemic viruses and that nothing about it looks engineered at all, and... this is still just a natural virus, sorry.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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post #26

I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.

Not really, the Chinese government knows the western powers want to use this to create an anti-China hysteria and so want to deny them the ability to do so. The NATO alliance is trying to create a confrontation over Taiwan and a lab leak hysteria is a great way to get the population onboard with a war.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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post #31

Edit: link has changed to ap news (didn't know that was even a thing you could do after posting to HN?) This story seems like more idle speculation with the backing of a semi-official source (but not in his official capacity). Absolutely no new evidence is presented in the story, it's just one person's opinion. Also, this source is a right-wing media org, and in comments to the Washington Post later he walked the sto…

Moderators change URLs all the time on HN: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... . Usually we explain why. Generally the goal is to have the best URL for supporting a substantive HN discussion. In this case the originally submitted URL was obviously not doing that. More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28172310

Moderator change makes sense, I thought OP had changed it. Thanks for the explanation.

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, ad hominem attack.. but stereotypes exist for a reason. If a story is only in places like National Inquirer, or in this case, if the story is only on a place that is rated as a poor news site, then I'm not going to read it. If it has merit, then it will be republished by more ( non-profit, and independent ) reliable news sources.

Apparently it has merit, as the link has now been changed to AP. We shouldn't be so hasty in making (or believing) ad hominiem attacks.

So we should take everything at face value and only investigate later, if at all?

Re: WHO inquiry chief 'had concerns' about lab close to first Covid cases

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post #26

I'm not skilled enough in the biomedical background to evaluate the various genetics-based articles written for or against natural-origin and lab-origin hypotheses. As a layman, however, I find the degree to which the Chinese government has stomped all over foreign-led investigations into the origin of SARS-Cov-2 to be highly, highly suspicious.

I guess, but that imparts a level of uniform direction that isn't really known. It could very well be that the PRC government does not know themselves whether or not covid was a lab leak, because who the fuck knows what those beaker heads were doing. They just want to be sure that if it was a lab leak, that no one ever knows. Basically: totalitarian governments suppress everything. It's what they do. It's not like th…

Yeah, that's a lot of mental gymnastics to avoid the obvious reality.
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