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Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by Dracophoenix »

7952 wrote: post #83
krageon wrote: post #13

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Part of being human and interacting with other humans is a certain level of uncertainty. To a lot of people, uncertainty is fundamentally scary and unacceptable. They look at other people (and to some extent themselves) and hate what they see there. Then they try to deny that essential nature through exerting more and more control over what they see. Fundamentally, I think it is indicative of a failing in modern soci…

Even if you do everything right you can still end up hurting someone. And that should feel bad, regardless of what you intended. I think taking responsibility for that potential harm is just part of being a grown up. You have to accept your own vulnerability. And hurting others is bad regardless of technicalities.

No reasonable person would be a living martyr for someone else's sensibilities. The world you're asking for is one where few would want to involve themselves with others for fear of stepping on someone else's toes. While one can be understanding, one is not obliged carry out this "responsibility" of living for others or with others' beliefs in mind.

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by kjeetgill »

im3w1l wrote: post #89
rich_sasha wrote: post #76

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That sounds terrible. If you want to punish someone, just say they raped you, and put up with a month's worth of prison. And also, genuine rape victims will be sent to prison, to top up their already ghastly experience.

> If you want to punish someone, just say they raped you, and put up with a month's worth of prison. I'm not sure that is necessarily a problem. If someone is willing to suffer in prison to get revenge, then there must be some kind of serious grievance behind it. They say "an armed society is a polite society", and this kind of double edged sword might just lead to a more polite society. It becomes a formalized way o…

This is just a very short rabbit hole to paying someone else to spend a month in jail for you.

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by im3w1l »

kjeetgill wrote: post #92
im3w1l wrote: post #89

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> If you want to punish someone, just say they raped you, and put up with a month's worth of prison. I'm not sure that is necessarily a problem. If someone is willing to suffer in prison to get revenge, then there must be some kind of serious grievance behind it. They say "an armed society is a polite society", and this kind of double edged sword might just lead to a more polite society. It becomes a formalized way o…

This is just a very short rabbit hole to paying someone else to spend a month in jail for you.

That's a fair point. I suppose that just like paying a thug to beat your enemy up, you would have to make the transaction illegal and hope you can make it sufficiently uncommon that it's not a problem.

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by auganov »

oilbagz wrote: post #64
auganov wrote: post #56

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It's been my impression that's exactly what it has been all along. Sex outside of marriage (or even just procreation) is a pretty bad idea but people are afraid to say it because it's "conservative". Sexual everything has become such a staple in some circles that people don't have an easy way of saying they're not interested in most of it.

Sex is the oldest form of political power, and provides the shortest path to irrational reactionary thought available to the modern propagandist or political operative intent on influencing culture over generations. Our current ("Western") ideals for how sexuality is to be portrayed by our social institutions doesn't allow for much escape from the negative effects that this power can have over the individual. Hopeful…

Not sure what exactly you're referring to. It's virtually impossible to prosecute most sexual crimes. And if somebody's really out to frame you, the truth doesn't matter in the first place. Getting murdered by an angry lover may be more likely.

All this does is make people think twice. If you're married and trying to have children how can any craziness ever happen? Not sure what "collective sex-culture" is, but it may be what many just call "promiscuity" (which is kind of my point).

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by readflaggedcomm »

gattr wrote: post #46

This idea is fully escalated in J. Dukaj's 2001 novel "Black oceans" [1]. > Dukaj extrapolates from the current trend of increasing lawsuits and political correctness: in his world many people willingly live under constant mass surveillance of the New Etiquette (NEti), which registers all their actions so that they couldn't be falsely accused of some "personal offense crime". That includes people's apartments and the…

It also reminds me of the Australian society in Marshall Brain's "Manna", which was much more creepy than the protagonist let on.

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by krageon »

mam2 wrote: post #16
krageon wrote: post #13

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Part of being human and interacting with other humans is a certain level of uncertainty. To a lot of people, uncertainty is fundamentally scary and unacceptable. They look at other people (and to some extent themselves) and hate what they see there. Then they try to deny that essential nature through exerting more and more control over what they see. Fundamentally, I think it is indicative of a failing in modern soci…

You are too judgmental. Rape id a real thing and it destroys people. The intention of the app is good. Its just not gonna work

Nothing about formalised consent will prevent rape, and anyone who thinks otherwise has not spent any time thinking about the problem. If that can't be judged unfavorably, I'm not sure what can.

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by mam2 »

krageon wrote: post #96
mam2 wrote: post #16

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You are too judgmental. Rape id a real thing and it destroys people. The intention of the app is good. Its just not gonna work

Nothing about formalised consent will prevent rape, and anyone who thinks otherwise has not spent any time thinking about the problem. If that can't be judged unfavorably, I'm not sure what can.

Thats not the judging part.. this is:

"Fundamentally, I think it is indicative of a failing in modern society. These folks have somehow managed to grow up to hate their emotions and those of other people, and now spend a large part of their life trying to murder them whenever they see them. It's immature and destructive and we owe it to each other to do better."

Yeah, or people are actually waking to the fact that girls get raped more than what society thought and want to fight back

Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by dang »

im3w1l wrote: post #73
rebelos wrote: post #20

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Being sexually active is particularly dangerous for heterosexual women. It's nearly impossible to prove a rape case in court. Because of this, there has been some groundswell of support for relaxing the burden of proof in rape cases to a standard that might ultimately permit some false accusations to result in wrongful convictions (a horrifically bad idea that would likely be a Pandora's box imo). If you reduce this…

So one thought I had: You can relax the burden of proof without having false accusations if you disincentivize accusations. It could work like this: If a woman accuses a man of rape, you accept it as true no questions asked. You imprison her for a month, and imprison him for two years.

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Post by dang »

rich_sasha wrote: post #76
im3w1l wrote: post #73

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So one thought I had: You can relax the burden of proof without having false accusations if you disincentivize accusations. It could work like this: If a woman accuses a man of rape, you accept it as true no questions asked. You imprison her for a month, and imprison him for two years.

That sounds terrible. If you want to punish someone, just say they raped you, and put up with a month's worth of prison. And also, genuine rape victims will be sent to prison, to top up their already ghastly experience.

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Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash

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Post by dang »

mam2 wrote: post #81
im3w1l wrote: post #73

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So one thought I had: You can relax the burden of proof without having false accusations if you disincentivize accusations. It could work like this: If a woman accuses a man of rape, you accept it as true no questions asked. You imprison her for a month, and imprison him for two years.

you are insane

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