This is solution-ism almost reaching its peak.
Computer chips will not solve societal problems.
Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
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Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#12This is a bit of a hot topic in Australia - and the world (rightly so). A sampling of news articles in the last week: https://www.theage.com.au/search?text=consent With respect to the idea of consent via app - it's simply a dumb idea. People can change their mind, use of the app can be forced, then there's the whole tracking and data privacy issues (the slut-shaming potential of this data can't be overstated, especia…
>People can change their mind
So, a new era of abstinence is ahead of us. There is simply no other way for anyone to feel safe than to simply abstain.
Personally I'm okay with this, but I know a lot of teenagers who grew up thinking sex is an important facet of their identity who will disagree...
Frankly, though, I think a more conservative society which treats sex with a lot more respect than the current shit-show, is definitely in order.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#13This is a bit of a hot topic in Australia - and the world (rightly so). A sampling of news articles in the last week: https://www.theage.com.au/search?text=consent With respect to the idea of consent via app - it's simply a dumb idea. People can change their mind, use of the app can be forced, then there's the whole tracking and data privacy issues (the slut-shaming potential of this data can't be overstated, especia…
Yeah. I feel no one is able to realize that at the end of the day, the bottom line is that there will NEVER exist a way to PROVE consent without doubt. Even if you say yes you could say no later. Even if you have marks, it could be some weird rough sex / kink thing. Am i really the only one to see it ?
Part of being human and interacting with other humans is a certain level of uncertainty. To a lot of people, uncertainty is fundamentally scary and unacceptable. They look at other people (and to some extent themselves) and hate what they see there. Then they try to deny that essential nature through exerting more and more control over what they see.
Fundamentally, I think it is indicative of a failing in modern society. These folks have somehow managed to grow up to hate their emotions and those of other people, and now spend a large part of their life trying to murder them whenever they see them. It's immature and destructive and we owe it to each other to do better.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#14(Off topic) Am I the only one who thinks the whole world is absolutely crazy right now? Like, in general, nothing seems to make sense anymore. When did I get transported into a parallel reality? I think it was 5 years ago after that LSD trip. Ever since then, things are getting increasingly weird /rant
I keep asking the same question quite often also, so I guess the answer to your question is no, you’re not the only one, though not sure if it will make you feel any better.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#15"Thousands of young women have detailed their experience of sexual assault during their schooling years - with many noting they weren't certain of what constituted rape."
"Fix" the above first along with a string of other problems. Then an app might be appropriate but I very much doubt it.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah. I feel no one is able to realize that at the end of the day, the bottom line is that there will NEVER exist a way to PROVE consent without doubt. Even if you say yes you could say no later. Even if you have marks, it could be some weird rough sex / kink thing. Am i really the only one to see it ?
Part of being human and interacting with other humans is a certain level of uncertainty. To a lot of people, uncertainty is fundamentally scary and unacceptable. They look at other people (and to some extent themselves) and hate what they see there. Then they try to deny that essential nature through exerting more and more control over what they see. Fundamentally, I think it is indicative of a failing in modern soci…
You are too judgmental. Rape id a real thing and it destroys people.
The intention of the app is good. Its just not gonna work
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#17This is a bit of a hot topic in Australia - and the world (rightly so). A sampling of news articles in the last week: https://www.theage.com.au/search?text=consent With respect to the idea of consent via app - it's simply a dumb idea. People can change their mind, use of the app can be forced, then there's the whole tracking and data privacy issues (the slut-shaming potential of this data can't be overstated, especia…
>People can change their mind So, a new era of abstinence is ahead of us. There is simply no other way for anyone to feel safe than to simply abstain. Personally I'm okay with this, but I know a lot of teenagers who grew up thinking sex is an important facet of their identity who will disagree... Frankly, though, I think a more conservative society which treats sex with a lot more respect than the current shit-show,…
Or you could - and I know this is a novel idea - treat people well and not be rapey.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#18App is a great idea.
But in practice with your pants halfway down... hard to implement.
The fact is that consent can be withdrawn long after the act for a variety of reasons. Let’s get folks.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
>People can change their mind So, a new era of abstinence is ahead of us. There is simply no other way for anyone to feel safe than to simply abstain. Personally I'm okay with this, but I know a lot of teenagers who grew up thinking sex is an important facet of their identity who will disagree... Frankly, though, I think a more conservative society which treats sex with a lot more respect than the current shit-show,…
Or you could - and I know this is a novel idea - treat people well and not be rapey.
Its not just a matter of 'not being rapey' - its a matter of agency over the sexual act.
If you get consent from your partner, have sex with them, and then your partner changes their mind about it afterwards - for any reason they determine under their own agency, what is to be done to avoid the danger of being falsely accused of not having gained consent, other than to simply abstain?
If consent can be retracted after the act, the act is not safe. So abstinence is the only answer.
And really, this shift towards abstinence is an appropriate social response.
Re: Australia: Sex consent app proposal sparks backlash
#20This is a bit of a hot topic in Australia - and the world (rightly so). A sampling of news articles in the last week: https://www.theage.com.au/search?text=consent With respect to the idea of consent via app - it's simply a dumb idea. People can change their mind, use of the app can be forced, then there's the whole tracking and data privacy issues (the slut-shaming potential of this data can't be overstated, especia…
Yeah. I feel no one is able to realize that at the end of the day, the bottom line is that there will NEVER exist a way to PROVE consent without doubt. Even if you say yes you could say no later. Even if you have marks, it could be some weird rough sex / kink thing. Am i really the only one to see it ?
Being sexually active is particularly dangerous for heterosexual women.
It's nearly impossible to prove a rape case in court. Because of this, there has been some groundswell of support for relaxing the burden of proof in rape cases to a standard that might ultimately permit some false accusations to result in wrongful convictions (a horrifically bad idea that would likely be a Pandora's box imo).
If you reduce this down to the fundamental tension: either we have to ask women to become dramatically more vigilant and accept some nonzero risk of rape (more or less what we implicitly do already) OR we have to increase the likelihood of wrongful convictions.
As far as I've been able to discern, there is no good solution here. And that's how asinine ideas like this "sex consent app" show up. It's a kind of manifestation of denial.