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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by [deleted] »

product50 wrote: post #62
paganel wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really surprised about India, that's news to me, I knew about the US and Western Europe situation but that doesn't equate to the rest of the whole world, as I was saying. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical about your claim of them dominating SE Asia, as a quick search drove me to this article from September 2018 [1] where it says that they're about to enter the market in Indonesia (which dwarfs Australia i…

Here you go with the source: https://www.shopify.com/enterprise/global-ecommerce-marketpl... And Amazon is also big in Brazil, Mexico, Japan etc. I think it is suffice to say that my point wrt Amazon dominating global eComm is fairly well laid out. Well, except for "China".

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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by PakG1 »

adinobro wrote: post #65
product50 wrote: post #50

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Well you don't know why they haven't been able to execute quickly. Maybe that approval they need to start a service wasn't given? Maybe the partnership they needed from the local delivery channel was delayed? Maybe the sellers were restricted to sell only on domestic companies?

JD and TMall have about close to 1,000 distribution points in the major cities with at least 10,000 delivery people each. Same day delivery is standard (order before 10am and it arrives by 6pm) for a lot of products. Install and building furniture at your home is also a common feature. Two day delivery is slow. Amazon isn't willing to invest the money and for most products on their site they still don't stock product…

I don't think it's logical for them to have local stock. That would require a HUGE capital investment to build up infrastructure and distribution points to go head to head with the locals. I bet Amazon's CFO looks at that and then tells Bezos, "Hey, these numbers are completely irrational, let's spend the money elsewhere where we'll have a better return on investment, please."

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by eledumb »

Amazon is being smart.

They know the Chinese will steal every bit of IP/Technology they can, and then once they've extracted all the juice they'll create market conditions that make it impossible for the foreign company to remain successful.

China has been running this program on everyone since they started with the Communist/Open market concept. It's just amazing that companies still haven't caught on. The lure of big money blinds the greedy.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by taobility »

bbrcn wrote: post #85
cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

There is nothing to do with government. As someone shopping online almost everyday in China, I can tell you taobao.com, jd.com are far more better than amazon.com on every aspect. In JD.com if you place your order before 10 am most of the time you get delivery same day or the next day. In taobao you have way more stuff than in Amazon, you can find a live person to answer your question instantly. Amazon is like someth…

Arrogant American people won't believe you. You are lying, Amazon is the best. US is No.1

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

PakG1 wrote: post #92
adinobro wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JD and TMall have about close to 1,000 distribution points in the major cities with at least 10,000 delivery people each. Same day delivery is standard (order before 10am and it arrives by 6pm) for a lot of products. Install and building furniture at your home is also a common feature. Two day delivery is slow. Amazon isn't willing to invest the money and for most products on their site they still don't stock product…

I don't think it's logical for them to have local stock. That would require a HUGE capital investment to build up infrastructure and distribution points to go head to head with the locals. I bet Amazon's CFO looks at that and then tells Bezos, "Hey, these numbers are completely irrational, let's spend the money elsewhere where we'll have a better return on investment, please."

It’s been logical to do it in a domestic market to become a market leader but it’s illogical to do it in a new market?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by taobility »

eledumb wrote: post #93

Amazon is being smart. They know the Chinese will steal every bit of IP/Technology they can, and then once they've extracted all the juice they'll create market conditions that make it impossible for the foreign company to remain successful. China has been running this program on everyone since they started with the Communist/Open market concept. It's just amazing that companies still haven't caught on. The lure of b…

As a nation, isn't that the right strategy to survive and develop? Why China should always do the low end manufacture work? As a people, would you always do the handy work if you have chance to learn from others and do a white collar job?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by HatchedLake721 »

coldcode wrote: post #2

Another non-Chinese giant being driven out of the Chinese market by Chinese leadership. Of course its their country and their rules.

Seems like you haven’t read the article, have you? What Chinese leadership are you talking about? Just read the comments here, Amazon is lagging behind JD and others

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by exabrial »

dangus wrote: post #86
exabrial wrote: post #79

It's hard to compete against government sponsored monopolies inside China. There's also a huge nationalism sentiment brewing in China and distrust growing for western companies and nationals from other countries. It's sort of hard to wrap your head around these concepts as a westerner, because we start form two different places of thinking; in China, the government is your way of life, as long as it doesn't interfere…

It's hard to compete when you're not competitive. Amazon still runs AWS in China with a Chinese partner. This is just Amazon.cn being unable to compete with local alternatives like Taobao. What you're saying isn't wrong but I don't think it's particularly relevant to this situation.

What about Uber and DiDi?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by product50 »

PakG1 wrote: post #92
adinobro wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

JD and TMall have about close to 1,000 distribution points in the major cities with at least 10,000 delivery people each. Same day delivery is standard (order before 10am and it arrives by 6pm) for a lot of products. Install and building furniture at your home is also a common feature. Two day delivery is slow. Amazon isn't willing to invest the money and for most products on their site they still don't stock product…

I don't think it's logical for them to have local stock. That would require a HUGE capital investment to build up infrastructure and distribution points to go head to head with the locals. I bet Amazon's CFO looks at that and then tells Bezos, "Hey, these numbers are completely irrational, let's spend the money elsewhere where we'll have a better return on investment, please."

Yeah - and Jeff seems to be the type of guy who is like, you are right CFO. We are here for the short term - let us do what you are saying?!

China is the biggest eComm market in the world! If there was an opportunity for Amazon to penetrate (regulations being the biggest challenge), Amazon would have totally gone for it.

This is a company why, 5 yrs back, committed $5B to India when eComm there was/still is totally burgeoning.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by cthalupa »

BoorishBears wrote: post #15
jimrhods23 wrote: post #13

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Why wouldn't you use in reference to China? It originates from the Cantonese language (probably because of the amount of Cantonese speakers in San Francisco back in the day) and in China.

Most people will know what it means if I say el . But it's like if I only say el when my Mexican friend is around. Just weird, and not necessary. Or since that example apparently goes over some of your heads, it’s like how some of you only use “bruh” and “yo” and “what’s good” around me, your black coworker and no one else.

I know that this is anecdotal and not necessarily representative of anything, but, I hear people use kowtow in all sorts of context, and certainly not limited to references to China or other Asian nations/ethnicities.

In fact, it's been so universal I never even made the connection or wondered about the etymology. Finding out that it's a loan word from Cantonese is something I learned due to this thread.

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