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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by baybal2 »

product50 wrote: post #62
paganel wrote: post #54

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I'm really surprised about India, that's news to me, I knew about the US and Western Europe situation but that doesn't equate to the rest of the whole world, as I was saying. I have to say that I'm a little skeptical about your claim of them dominating SE Asia, as a quick search drove me to this article from September 2018 [1] where it says that they're about to enter the market in Indonesia (which dwarfs Australia i…

Here you go with the source: https://www.shopify.com/enterprise/global-ecommerce-marketpl... And Amazon is also big in Brazil, Mexico, Japan etc. I think it is suffice to say that my point wrt Amazon dominating global eComm is fairly well laid out. Well, except for "China".

I'm very, very surprised not to see Alibaba/Express/Bao being present in Brazil in their data. And same for the Middle East.

Given that, I greatly doubt the veracity of their research.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

reallydude wrote: post #67
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #40

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I personally would defer judgement on why Amazon is leaving; Alibaba tends to be the most competitive of the Chinese internet companies, and has a corporate culture very similar to Amazon (frugal, but with 996). But Alibaba isn’t really Amazon’s main competitor, they are much more B2B than B2C, it’s only when you throw in TMall or Taobao that comparisons become more apt. When I was living in Beijing, my wife and I ne…

> But Alibaba isn’t really Amazon’s main competitor (in China) You mean JD. You could just say "JD" instead of the vague statement.

I said JD in the next sentence, the one run by milk tea sister’s husband of dubious repute.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by Chris_Chambers »

BoorishBears wrote: post #48
michaelscott wrote: post #38

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All your examples are false equivalences. The word "kowtow" is a perfect description of a relatively complicated ritual that didn't already have an English word for it (you could maybe substitute "placate" or "show deference" but these can have other meanings in different contexts). Words from other languages like "karaoke", "restaurant" and "prima donna" have always been incorporated into English when no specific su…

All your of your comment is intentionally stripping things of context in a pathetic attempt disarm a fair argument without addressing the actual substance of it. Saying “kowtow”, “bruh”, “what’s good”. Not a problem. Someone who never says “bruh” or “what’s good” suddenly talking like they’re extras in a Migos music video to their black coworker is not cool. Saying kowtow, but only in reference to Asians and always u…

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

njepa wrote: post #69
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #40

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I personally would defer judgement on why Amazon is leaving; Alibaba tends to be the most competitive of the Chinese internet companies, and has a corporate culture very similar to Amazon (frugal, but with 996). But Alibaba isn’t really Amazon’s main competitor, they are much more B2B than B2C, it’s only when you throw in TMall or Taobao that comparisons become more apt. When I was living in Beijing, my wife and I ne…

I would assume they meant Alibaba Group which is Taobao, Tmall, Alibaba.com, AliExpress, Alipay, Aliyun. Ele.me, Youku etc. Taobao is pretty amazing. But slightly hard to explain. It is like Amazon, eBay, Shopify, Wish and more in one.

Ya, but we never used TMall or Taobao either. There are lots of other better options for consumers in China.

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Post by product50 »

baybal2 wrote: post #71
product50 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go with the source: https://www.shopify.com/enterprise/global-ecommerce-marketpl... And Amazon is also big in Brazil, Mexico, Japan etc. I think it is suffice to say that my point wrt Amazon dominating global eComm is fairly well laid out. Well, except for "China".

I'm very, very surprised not to see Alibaba/Express/Bao being present in Brazil in their data. And same for the Middle East. Given that, I greatly doubt the veracity of their research.

Do you have an alternate source? This data is from Shopify who is actually an Amazon competitor.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by A2017U1 »

product50 wrote: post #51
paganel wrote: post #45

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> Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world I've mentioned it in another comment, too, but Amazon is not present in my Eastern European country (Romania), where Alibaba beats them by a large margin (even though they're also not officially launched here). I've just done a quick search and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine, to say nothing of India. As such, to say that they…

Dude do some research. They are winning or close to winning in India, South East Asia, Western Europe, Australia, US, Dubai etc.

> Australia

Absolutely disagree, their service is shockingly slow and the limited range is overpriced. They make up about 0.4% of Australian online sales.

I'm not sure where you got this impression from.

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Post by Teever »

product50 wrote: post #51
paganel wrote: post #45

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> Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world I've mentioned it in another comment, too, but Amazon is not present in my Eastern European country (Romania), where Alibaba beats them by a large margin (even though they're also not officially launched here). I've just done a quick search and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine, to say nothing of India. As such, to say that they…

Dude do some research. They are winning or close to winning in India, South East Asia, Western Europe, Australia, US, Dubai etc.

When I was in Belgium and Holland about 3 years ago Amazon was not available due to some tax dispute with the governments and so it was suggested that I use the German Amazon site instead. The selection was lackluster and Prime was unavailable.

It was quite startling for someone coming from a relatively small city in a sparsely populations part of Western Canada this was quite a surprise.

I had always assumed that given my remote location people that lived in densely populated regions would be better served by Amazon.

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Post by exabrial »

It's hard to compete against government sponsored monopolies inside China. There's also a huge nationalism sentiment brewing in China and distrust growing for western companies and nationals from other countries.

It's sort of hard to wrap your head around these concepts as a westerner, because we start form two different places of thinking; in China, the government is your way of life, as long as it doesn't interfere with your daily life. The constructs of intellectual property, property rights, etc aren't present

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by lordlimecat »

sytelus wrote: post #30
cletus wrote: post #3

This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…

Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually…

>This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong

Why are local players very strong?

* Regulatory capture

* Government promotion of internal services

* IP theft from western countries

How about, all of the above?

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