Sad, sad day. I remember having discussions with my 14 year old son regarding articles 11 and 13. He said it would be impossible for these articles to come through, as people are clearly against it. He then called me a pessimist and naysayer. I wish he was right.
European Parliament approves copyright reform
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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except local parliaments are also lobby-bought, so that doesn't solve the problem. Brexit is the politician's fallacy in action.
Solve what problem? The problem of lobbies in general? No, it doesn't. The problem of EU lobbying, and inter-national divide-and-conquer? Yes, to some extent. Framing this as politician's fallacy, action for the sake of action, suggests that lobbying won't be worse in the EU than at a local level. In reality, it's easier to consolidate a smaller same-nation population, than multiple international ones. Just look at h…
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?
Oh, come on. Yes, mislead will is also a will. However, the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding, it's now how referendums work in England. The people who wanted Brexit literally said out loud we lied next morning, the resigned and/or disappeared. Sure, it's the will of the people...
>the Brexit vote should never have been legally binding
It wasn't.
Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform
#94Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.
The EU Parliament, who we vote for every 5 years (and have elections coming up), vote for a law. You don't like said law, therefore it's undemocratic? The way the parliament is elected is quite fair - it gives a little more power to people in smaller countries, but that's not unusual (UK westminster constituencies vary from 22k to 120k. U.S. congress areas are more even, ranging from 500k to 1 million). There's an ar…
Parliamentary democracy is a type of fake democracy that legitimizes tyranny. If people were able to vote directly Art. 17 would have never passed.
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#95Wonder how everyone here who keep praising and extolling everything the EU does has to say about this. Edit: being downvoted to oblivion suggests either that they are in denial or there are many paid shills around or both, either way I rest my case.
funny how it's always a throwaway... But yeah nobody is defending this unless you're part of the copyright lobby, the news lobby or some other mafia-like organization
Sounds quite sad in the context of this being passed by EU bodies, and really by those for whom no one ever even voted.
Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform
#96Am I the only one who kinda feels like I'm not living in a democratic system anymore? Not saying this is the first such thing that happens, but it's probably the one that will make me stop using the word to refer to the society I live in.
The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…
European Commissioners are selected by natioanl governments.
The president of the commission is voted for by the people (Juncker received the most votes in 2014)
Does America vote for the secretary of transportation?
In theory under say a westminster system MPs can take control. This is almost unprecedented until last night. Even when they do push non-controversial laws (Private Member bills, like the upskirting one recently), they're usually stopped.
So the difference seems to be
1) The president of the EU commission is effectively elected by the people. Same as the prime minister (except for May, Brown, Major and I think Callahagn who were simply appointed on their first attempts. So 3 of the last 7 were elected) 2) The UK prime minister has a selection of about 1400 people to select from when appointing the executive (members of commons and lords). There's no comfirmation from parliament. The US President can appoint anyone, with confirmation from the senate. The EU commission president gets to appoint from candidates pre-selected by the EU heads of government, and those appointments have to be confirmed by the MEPs. 3) The UK parliament can in theory (but rarely in practice) pass laws. The EU parliament can't, however through the committees they seem to have more power to make changes than in the UK.
The UK, US and EU are all different, but they are all democracies.
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#97Good things the brits found the ejection seat lever for this before it was too late. Will vote for any party thats want to get out of this next vote.
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#98Clueless twats. I will look up all who voted for this farce and let them know individually it will haunt them for the rest of their political career. No forgiveness for kneecapping free expression in return for some lobbyist euros and pretending it protects artists. And to the artists who were dumb enough to believe it: if your art wasn't mediocre you wouldn't have any trouble drawing the attention of the copyright i…
Just keep in mind that EU bodies which have the legislative power don't really have constituents, not really been elected by anyone.
Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
Democracy does not mean that you always get what you want. A majority in parliament and the council were in favor of this law, so you can't say it's undemocratic.
Democracy does not mean that the parliament and council is in favor, but that "the people" (translation of "demos") have "power" (translation of "kratos").
But the parliament and (more indirectly) the council were chosen by the people to exercise power on their behalf in democratic elections.
Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?
The lies told by the leave campaign has been extensively documented, including by courts. It's all a google search away.
So are the lies of the remain campaign ?