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Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by CarlSchmitt » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 2:56 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #90

leereeves wrote: post #89

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There are places in America that aren't much better than Brazil or Mexico. There are other places in America where help is hours away and defending yourself is the only option. And places where hunting is still a means of feeding families, as well as the primary method of managing animal populations. By all means, ban guns in New York and San Francisco if that's what the people of those cities want, but don't impose…

If there are parts of America as lawless as Brazil and Mexico you need to re-evaluate your priorities. Giving those people guns and wishing them the best is just horrifying. Figure out how to repair the situation instead. Mad Max wasn't meant to be instructional, you know. I'd also suggest your opinions about America are pretty divorced from the realities on the ground.

I live in a rural area with bears, mountain lions, and wolves...so I'll be keeping my guns for as long as I'm out here...I've killed 2 skunks in the last 3 months that would have killed my chickens...the parent comment on rural areas rings true to me.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by CarlSchmitt » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 3:00 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #77

stcredzero wrote: post #74

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There are licensing requirements with continuous daily background checks. The results speak for themselves. California has pretty much this, and in implementation is much stricter than Canada. The result? There are mass shootings here as well as lots of urban gun violence. New Zealand already has stricter gun laws than many places in the US. Throwing up your hands and saying it’ll never work without trying it is tant…

>>> California. It’s much easier to bring in illicit firearms across unmonitored state lines than national boundaries. >>> I'd rather have individual rights and armed guards in the schools and places of worship. Horrifying. So taking away everyone’s right to feel safe and secure? Wonderful. And to be alive. That’s the problem, life is always trade offs. I don’t feel comfortable with everyone armed, that infringed on…

What about your fellow citizens who don't live in LA, SF, or NY?

Guns aren't a hobby out in my rural town...we have bears, mountain lions, and wolves ...and livestock to protect....you can choose to not buy a gun if you want but I'll always keep mine as long as I live around nature's predators...

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by leereeves » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 6:26 AM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #90

leereeves wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are places in America that aren't much better than Brazil or Mexico. There are other places in America where help is hours away and defending yourself is the only option. And places where hunting is still a means of feeding families, as well as the primary method of managing animal populations. By all means, ban guns in New York and San Francisco if that's what the people of those cities want, but don't impose…

If there are parts of America as lawless as Brazil and Mexico you need to re-evaluate your priorities. Giving those people guns and wishing them the best is just horrifying. Figure out how to repair the situation instead. Mad Max wasn't meant to be instructional, you know. I'd also suggest your opinions about America are pretty divorced from the realities on the ground.

> I'd also suggest your opinions about America are pretty divorced from the realities on the ground.

St Louis and Baltimore have murder rates as high as the worst countries in Latin America; much worse than Mexico or Brazil, and many more American cities murder rates are as high as Mexico or Brazil.

If you have effective ideas to improve that I'm sure they'd love to hear from you, but personally I'm not smart enough to fix every problem in society.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by arcticbull » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 11:48 AM UTC

CarlSchmitt wrote: post #92

arcticbull wrote: post #77

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>>> California. It’s much easier to bring in illicit firearms across unmonitored state lines than national boundaries. >>> I'd rather have individual rights and armed guards in the schools and places of worship. Horrifying. So taking away everyone’s right to feel safe and secure? Wonderful. And to be alive. That’s the problem, life is always trade offs. I don’t feel comfortable with everyone armed, that infringed on…

What about your fellow citizens who don't live in LA, SF, or NY? Guns aren't a hobby out in my rural town...we have bears, mountain lions, and wolves ...and livestock to protect....you can choose to not buy a gun if you want but I'll always keep mine as long as I live around nature's predators...

Yep, 100%, and you should have them. You know, after a background check. And one shotgun or rifle, or some reasonable quantity of a type of weapon that meets your needs. No pistols or AR-15s. Norway has strict gun control regulations but require you possess one to leave the built up areas of Svalbard due to polar bears.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by arcticbull » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 11:50 AM UTC

leereeves wrote: post #93

arcticbull wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there are parts of America as lawless as Brazil and Mexico you need to re-evaluate your priorities. Giving those people guns and wishing them the best is just horrifying. Figure out how to repair the situation instead. Mad Max wasn't meant to be instructional, you know. I'd also suggest your opinions about America are pretty divorced from the realities on the ground.

> I'd also suggest your opinions about America are pretty divorced from the realities on the ground. St Louis and Baltimore have murder rates as high as the worst countries in Latin America; much worse than Mexico or Brazil, and many more American cities murder rates are as high as Mexico or Brazil. If you have effective ideas to improve that I'm sure they'd love to hear from you, but personally I'm not smart enough…

Great, the reason they’re shooting each other isn’t due to not having enough guns. Solve the real problem don’t throw up your hands and say shoot yourselves. Total anarchy isn’t better.

The reality is the shootings are a symptom of a real, meaningful social problem. They’re not the cause in and of themselves. At best allowing people to intimidate each other with weapons is masking the real problem and prolonging the pain of those suffering — while simultaneously giving untrained and unqualified vigilantes easy ways to hurt people. At worst, you’ve just made it easier for people to murder unchecked. We’ve had fairly lax gun policy for centuries so it’s pretty clear your plan to just arm everyone and hide in the sand from the real cause hadn’t worked so far, so why should it start now, all of a sudden?

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by CarlSchmitt » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 3:33 PM UTC

arcticbull wrote: post #94

CarlSchmitt wrote: post #92

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What about your fellow citizens who don't live in LA, SF, or NY? Guns aren't a hobby out in my rural town...we have bears, mountain lions, and wolves ...and livestock to protect....you can choose to not buy a gun if you want but I'll always keep mine as long as I live around nature's predators...

Yep, 100%, and you should have them. You know, after a background check. And one shotgun or rifle, or some reasonable quantity of a type of weapon that meets your needs. No pistols or AR-15s. Norway has strict gun control regulations but require you possess one to leave the built up areas of Svalbard due to polar bears.

Having a .45 ACP pistol saved my life so I think I'll be keeping that as well...jammed rifles don't defend well against bears

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by bootlooped » Sat, Mar 23, 2019, 5:23 PM UTC

b_t_s wrote: post #86

bootlooped wrote: post #58

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If you read the article it sounds like they just put them up against a wall and shot them in the back. It doesn't sound like training, it sounds more like punishment or hazing.

I did read the article, and I maintain that it is training. It can save lives. They're trying to make you more afraid of dying through inaction than dying through action, and get you familiar with the fear so you don't freeze. This sort of training can be traumatic but it can also be effective. For young high agressive males, it's high on effeciveness and arguably lower on trauma, and reasonably justified if they are…

I'm not against pain being incorporated into training, but for this specific scenario I don't get how you go from "I have been shot in the back once with an airsoft gun" to "I must rush the active shooter or I will die".