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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by Braxton1980 »

orochimaaru wrote: post #462
tormeh wrote: post #216

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It's more of an ethical question. Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person? I'd argue that they were. You can't just vote for a horrible person and then say you had nothing to do with the consequences. I'm not the one you replied to, but I assume this is something family related, a la "just because grandpa voted for Trump doesn't mean he's a bad person".

Well, it’s not the popular vote but the electoral college. There may be plenty of people in blue states who voted for Trump because they were fed up with democrats having foisted an unelected candidate on them. They would for the most part know that the vote kinda doesn’t count - e.g. if you live in CA or IL. In this case you’re mostly voting to make a point. So with the current system, that varies. If it’s a popular…

>were fed up with democrats having foisted an unelected candidate on them

What power was this candidate given? By saying "unelected" you're trying to imply that a person was given power in the government without a vote.

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The election is a choice between two candidates.

It's not "Did you like that the Democrats did X"? It's "Which candidate would make a better president"?

The reason is that the effects of the outcome aren't limited to the Democrat party leadeship.

For example a student who is deported wasn't responsible for the decision by the Democrat party leadership not to hold a primary but are affected by the outcome of the election.

The logical flaw in the voters you are referring to is not comparing choices while making a selection.

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Post by genewitch »

moralestapia wrote: post #878
nebula8804 wrote: post #802

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You are nitpicking. It is an elite institution that still attracts elite class people or else it wouldn't be worth so much to so many groups. There are hundreds of universities in the US, many of which have no kind recognition of the kind Harvard has.

>You are nitpicking. I am doing the opposite, @kristopolous is the one who attached the "best and brightest" label to Harvard students. I am arguing that's unfair.

I think it may have been an [un]intentional callback to Trump saying that about who "Mexico was sending over the border" - at least that's how I interpreted it.

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Post by albrewer »

kurtis_reed wrote: post #352
daedrdev wrote: post #261

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This is quite literally the appeal to tradition or inertia fallacy. Just because they've been around for a while does not mean they are not facing an existential threat. Every structure humans create will one day collapse. This certainly looks difficult for Harvard and could be their end because there is no divine protection, only the decision that will be made by an extremely conservative Supreme Court and the willi…

Things that have been around for a long time are the ones most likely to continue to exist, it's not a fallacy.

I worked for a foundry that had been at the same location for 120 years. GE ran it into the ground and closed it 2 years after acquiring it.

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Post by rayiner »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #877
rayiner wrote: post #821

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I actually think indoctrinating their children in western human liberalism -is- a feature. But whether it’s a feature or a flaw, it’s an aspect of having the best brand on earth that those with the most money aspire to it. If you’re in an African country Harvard degrees are extremely prestigious, more so than in America, so the drive to attain it is even greater - even if it’s largely limited to the wealthy. But not…

The culture that prevails at Harvard isn’t Americanism. It’s elitist managerialism and liberal internationalism. It’s an ideology that children of foreign elites can easily assimilate into, because they come from cultures where better people rule over “the masses.” (Remember, aristocrats think that their status is a kind of meritocracy.) Actual Brahmins assimilate easily into Boston Brahminism.

What defines Americanism is a quote I love attributed to Bill Buckley:

> I would rather be governed by the first 2000 people in the Boston telephone directory than by the 2000 people on the faculty of Harvard University.

Remember that Buckley was as close as it gets to being an american aristocrat. But the sentiment reflects an american tradition where people in elite positions are expected to, at least outwardly, express embarrassment or skepticism about their own status. America a country of yeoman farmers.

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Post by rayiner »

victorbjorklund wrote: post #845
rayiner wrote: post #821

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That makes no sense. In what way is all well-off families in South Korea or Japan evil?

Nobody said “evil.” But do you think it’s a good thing for ordinary americans to have the children of chaebols owners rubbing shoulders with the children of Fortune 500s CEOs?

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Post by moralestapia »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #873
moralestapia wrote: post #793

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You cannot jump over immigration requirements "just because you're powerful", and the vast majority of them are not US citizens.

You could probably get round immigration requirements by "gifting" a jet or something

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Post by iAMkenough »

imoverclocked wrote: post #361
iAMkenough wrote: post #335

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If you speak out against the government, the government will retaliate. Simple as that.

You are describing the inability for dissent as normal. In fact, it's considered an international human right. Despite it also being in our constitution, the Trump Administration's actions resemble your comment closely.

I don't disagree. It's where we've ended up, and I don't see any viable solutions to the problem.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #794
tormeh wrote: post #216

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It's more of an ethical question. Were the people who voted for Hitler bad people because they voted for a bad person? I'd argue that they were. You can't just vote for a horrible person and then say you had nothing to do with the consequences. I'm not the one you replied to, but I assume this is something family related, a la "just because grandpa voted for Trump doesn't mean he's a bad person".

People voting for Hitler wasn't a problem either way.. Enough of them never voted for him under the German electoral system of the time that he never won enough of a majority to become president of his country. Instead he then used backroom deals with useful idiots and cynics who thought they could use him in favor of their careers, to get himself appointed to a position (chancellor) from which he could become dictat…

I didn't realize Hitler didn't win the 1932 election but became chancellor after the Nazi party obtained a majority in the government and Hindenburg, who won, appointed him.

>who have the power to curtail what Trump is attempting as president, but don't for different

They won't do this because of his public support.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #804
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #578

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He couldn’t care less.

He could care less is the common phrase by now, even if it doesn't make literal sense.

"Could care less" used as a snarky response makes sense, as in, "I could care less, but I don't want to put in the effort." Using that phrase without a sarcastic intonation is still incorrect.
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