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Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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I am looking forward! I tried side loading the YouTube with sponsorblock and adblock, which worked but renewing the apps weekly is too much effort.

YouTube Premium is a pretty good deal and actually pays the creators when you watch their videos.

I pay for Premium but creators still include sponsored content, and it's getting egregious. I will continue to pay for Premium, but I want ALL the ads gone. The only way to achieve this is with Sponsorblock.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Also regulation to automatically limit speed of cars - the biggest low hanging fruit when it comes to safety and quality of life in cities keeps getting delayed and crippled because of car manufacturers want to sell fast cars.

Is it just car manufacturers who are not keen on the idea? I for one don’t want a computer that has zero situational awareness, interfering with the controls when I’m driving and responsible for the vehicle. The ability of computers to control the vehicle should be proportional to their perceptive abilities. No output without input.

Computers don't have zero situational awareness anymore, look at what Tesla is doing.

But even strict limiters without intelligence are commonplace, here in the EU most trucks are fitted with them. Which can be annoying because it causes trucks to overtake each other ridiculously slowly sometimes. It's not something that causes major safety issues though.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

#893
post #485

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For years Google been stamping "standards" one after another even though other browser vendors were against many of them and they end up being Chrome-only. No matter what Apple itself does Safari being major non-Chromium browser helps Firefox a lot just by existing and having huge marketshare.

It's a three player world now, and Google wants a better web, Apple doesn't want a better web, and Mozilla is somewhere in-between, but increasingly playing the "privacy above all else" card too. In June 2020, Apple declared a bunch of APIs they will not implement ( https://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-declined-to-implement-16... ), in a big press blitz trying to make it look like they were some noble hero. Web MIDI (…

Things like local hardware access require things like entitlements, ongoing consent, external accountability, and at least rudimentary protections from supply chain attacks - all things the web is historically bad at managing.

Web Extensions for an example have all been pushed into stores for auditing purposes, because otherwise their functionality can and has changed via automatic updates, going from useful functionality to horrible privacy trainwrecks.

> Sure, I agree, not every site should have access to these sensors/capabilities. There are privacy risks of turning them on. But they're also excellent capabilities, that really help users do interesting things.

Sure, but they are still harmful. For instance, there is no body that says which websites are allowed to manage USB because they are Arduino Maker sites dispatching firmwares, and which ones are not allowed to because they'll attempt to zero day some mobile phone OS while it charges. And there is no technical protection against the former site suddenly becoming the latter via acquisition or exploit.

This is why the native app security and privacy models are fundamentally different from the web models - a store can require entry into a private contract by a real-world entity who is accountable (potentially criminally), of software under audit control.

Websites can be by random people outside any legal accountability.

On iOS, one of the major differences is that there is no expectation that people will doing ongoing management of granted permissions to a website. For this reason, things like geolocation access have to be re-granted periodically. This is also a reason why push notifications (as a more durable permission) require the PWA to be "promoted" to an app on the Home Screen on iOS.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

#894

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also regulation to automatically limit speed of cars - the biggest low hanging fruit when it comes to safety and quality of life in cities keeps getting delayed and crippled because of car manufacturers want to sell fast cars.

Is it just car manufacturers who are not keen on the idea? I for one don’t want a computer that has zero situational awareness, interfering with the controls when I’m driving and responsible for the vehicle. The ability of computers to control the vehicle should be proportional to their perceptive abilities. No output without input.

If you’re concerned about the EU speed limiting directive it’s so permissive you can override the control just by using your gas pedal. (No comment on the how this is different to e-bike and scooters where hard limits are mandated despite the much lower speeds and masses involved)

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #877

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For those replying, I believe the parent was saying that EU phones are stuck with a physical SIM slot because of regulations. In the US, iPhones no longer have a SIM tray.

I understood it but I would definitely want at least one physical SIM on my phone. It has served me well many times (and not limited to remote areas) when my phone is unusable and I can use my SIM on another phone with the lock PIN.

I've had to contact the carrier to get a new phone approved for a SIM here in the states, so in my mind it is a bit of a wash there.

On the flip-side, T-Mobile has an app to add an eSIM to "test drive" their service on your phone for free, and I look forward to the day I can buy travel SIMs in advance on my couch at home.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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Linux on mobile is a major step back both in terms of security and usability. Modern smartphone App Sandboxes are immensely better than desktop paradigms. Sideloading should be allowed, tho.

Security and usability are not the only dimensions that matter. There are people who would like to use devices they own in alternative ways ie. to develop, experiment or simply not to throw perfectly functioning, un-updatable, just few years old hardware to the trash bin. Apple doesn't want their platform to be polluted with privileged, unsigned code. They don't want next security breach news headline to include thei…

I'm all in for allowing alternate OSes, don't get me wrong :).

I'm just saying that for most people it's a bad idea, especially regarding Linux. Linux's security is abysmal because the desktop security model is fundamentally flawed.

Take Flatpak for example. While it is a big step forward in terms of portability, ease of use and security, it is still allows applications to pick their permissions themselves. Even dangerous ones like X11 display server access, full file system access or camera access.

However, there already is a number of secure open source alternative mobile OSes based on Android, GrapheneOS for example.

Also, driver blobs for modems are often out-of-date and insecure. Making the phone drivers fully open source will probably not happen.

If you know what you’re doing, installing a different OS onto can be liberating and good for the environment – most of the time the hardware is perfectly fine, just the software becomes more bloated and slower as the device ages. It’s just - in my opinion - more risky.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #820

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> Similar way of thinking that I know of was Valve and Steam, where Steam users needed to Greenlit a game before it came to the Steam store. Not the same at all. You can install whatever you want on the Steam Deck. I'd fine with Apple just curating their App Store; I am not fine with them deciding what software I can run on "my" device.

I meant Valve didn't want Steam to be flooded with low quality games (back in the day) which would interest nobody and would only turn away people from Steam. >I'd fine with Apple just curating their App Store; I am not fine with them deciding what software I can run on "my" device. Yea that's horrible, that's why Microsoft and Windows are great when speaking about PC industry and comparing it to the iOS and iPhones.…

In the desktop world, all major OSes are similar in this regard. I can install whatever I want on my Mac laptop, and of course on my Linux computers.

Really iOS is the outlier in the major computing platforms in how much of a walled garden it is.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

#898
post #723

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> Company wants to make money, not help users Yea but Apple is a company too…

Good for them?

I am simply countering back what GP said about other companies cheapening out on features by stating that Apple is also a company. Yes, the point is that no company cares about you. Making customer happy is a side effect of them making money.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

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post #791
post #768

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> When this was first proposed Well, it's a good thing they UPDATED the bill that eventually became law, right? I guess they could probably do that again, if necessary!

How long it took to pass it and how long it will take to update it? Meanwhile when a better port comes up, manufacturers will stay away from it because of this limitation.

Evidently very little time.

Re: iOS 17 app sideloading might only be available in Europe

#900
post #727

Superior functionality exclusively in the EU — USB-C, side-loading — is a good thing. It will remind US folks that the law is a powerful mechanism for making simple, non-controversial changes that improve everyone’s quality of life; but which corporations would otherwise refuse to accept. BTW — LAAS (lobbying-as-a-service) should probably exist.

But they’re also stuck with physical sims because of those same laws. I vastly prefer the esim in the US iphone to the tray.

We have both esim and physical. Not only this, for people that want more privacy, some can buy physical sims without any documents at simple shops so that there is no risk for govt to track you
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