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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by bertan » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #596

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This is a really useless comparison. A 10 year old laptop will be extremely slow compared to any modern laptop and the battery will have degraded. The T460 has knock off battery replacements floating around but that’s not exactly reassuring. Granted: it works for you (and me, actually, I’m one of those people who likes to use an old thinkpad; x201s in my case though I mostly use a dell precision these days) but peopl…

Not everyone needs 15+ hours of battery life. I'd argue that most people don't. Laptops were extremely popular when the battery life was two hours. Now even older laptops get 5h+.

> The argument against good low wattage cpus is just an inane and boring one.

> Not everyone needs 15+ hours of battery life.

Low wattage is not only about battery life. It is mostly about requiring less power for the same work. However you look at it, it is good for everyone. Now that Apple has shown that this can be done, everyone else will do the same.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ausername42027 » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:25 PM UTC

Phylter wrote: post #535

blakesterz wrote: post #100

I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. For years I worked* on an Ubuntu desktop machine I built myself. Early this year I switched to a brand new M1 mini and this this is slower and less reliable than the thing I built myself that runs Ubuntu. My Ubuntu machine had a few little issues every no and then. My Mini has weird bugs all the time. e.g. Green Screen Crashes when I have…

My $1000 Windows laptop from two years ago kills my M1 MacBook Pro. Benchmarks aren't everything and there's more to speed than just raw calculations.

Is it 5 pounds and 2 inches thick? The fact is is that my M1 Macbook Air that was $1400 would cost at least $2000 from HP, Dell or Lenovo to even approach similar performance, and still have a worse screen, worse battery life, AND would still be slower. I have not seen a laptop chip from AMD or Intel in fanless, thin laptop like the Macbook Air that even gets close to the M1.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by eMSF » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

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That Intel CPU (12900K) has 8 performance cores, i.e. as many as M1 Max.

Not as far as I can see. > The Intel Core i9-12900K operates with 16 cores and 24 CPU threads. It run at 5.30 GHz base 5.00 GHz all cores while the TDP is set at 125 W. https://cpu-comparison.com/intel-core-i9-12900k/

12900K has 8 high performance cores (with 2 hardware threads each, look up hyperthreading), and 8 efficiency cores for a total sum of 24 hardware threads.

Previous Intel generations have only had so called high performance cores (except, maybe, for the Atom line of CPUs), even though not all of them have had hyperthreading enabled.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by treesknees » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 7:58 PM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #86

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I'm in the situation where I really want to pre-order a 14", but I have no idea if going with the base model would be a mistake. Would upgrading to 32GB RAM make Xcode faster? Or would it be a waste of $400?

My opinion: the jump from 16GB to 32GB probably won't make a huge difference today, especially if your workload is already running alright in 16GB. I think it'll greatly extend the useful life of the laptop, though. For example, I wouldn't want to be using an 8GB laptop today.

This is exactly why I waited for the "M1X" over the M1 Mac. Over time, apps and websites tend to bloat up and consume more memory. Especially since you can't upgrade your Mac later, buying a higher amount of RAM upfront will no doubt extend the usable life of the machine.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:50 PM UTC

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Please stop being so hostile to other users. It really doesn't add anything. You have made some factually questionable comments yourself, and I say this as someone who has worked on JIT aarch64 translation very similar to Rosetta 2.

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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

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if you define efficiency as compute per watt. I don't give a flying crap about watts. Efficiency is measured as amount of work done per hour. Because I get paid for the work, and then I pay the two dollars a week for the watts. I don't care if it's five dollars a week for the watts or two. I do care if it's two hours of waiting time versus five.

Compute per watt is compute per dollar. If you want more compute, spawn more cores. In this case, it will be cheaper with ARM.

lol no. the $20/month cost of electricity is a rounding error for my $6k laptop and the $50k of software licenses for it. It's even less of a rounding error for the datacenter, where a $500k ESX farm that has several million in software on it farm uses $5k of electric per per month including cooling.

Have you noticed almost no one uses ARM? There's a reason for that. Including software being licensed per core, so faster hotter cores and fewer of them win.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 10:36 PM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #828

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I have an amd laptop and wife has an M1. Mine has twice RAM, twice SSD, more ports, is 10% lighter and 20% cheaper.

And your AMD laptop can run many OSes, while your wife will forever be stuck on macOS on the Apple M1 laptop whose hardware is designed to be hard to repair and upgrade ...

I tried to work with the apple laptop, it's very good in many aspects, but I needed a program and it can't be installed without Apple ID. I think there are many programs like that for the Mac, so I passed.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by soylentnewsorg » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

KptMarchewa wrote: post #718

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Right? I’m curious what pro’s do “at the indy 500”. Most devs where I work use 15” macs and probably a blend of apps from jetbrains toolbox. Mostly connected to power outlets to be fair. So we’re talking local installs of spring boot app Java servers, front end Webserver, an IDE to work on one of those, because opening a second one on a Intel mac will either run the dev out of RAM or the heat will cause a shutdown. T…

It's fine to work sometime on battery. Except, after 5 hours, marginal utility decreases, and 8 hours it goes to zero. Why would I need more than one day?

because you're a "dev" who makes web pages for a company that can't afford an oracle license. and your office is a starbucks. but you want to call your little toy a pro, because to non-programmers, you make missle guidance systems. well not you. but the other few people on this thread.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by paulmd » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 2:20 AM UTC

vondro wrote: post #745

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they're the same cores as the original M1 architecturally, you just get an 8+2 on a Max instead of 4+4... and also an absolutely titanic iGPU, total transistor count is about twice that of a 3090 and almost all of it lives in the iGPU. the only architectural difference between M1 and M1 Max in the CPU cores, besides the different combination of big/little cores, is that the M1 Max goes from quad channel to hexadecima…

I believe it's LPDDR5, basically a memory chip for smartphones, not DDR5.

sure, but it's also running at JEDEC either way, it's actually irrelevant to performance, it's just a matter of packaging (obviously for laptops, stacking the packages is more convenient than DIMMs or soldered modules).

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by throwntoday » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 9:44 AM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #576

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You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

> It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop. ...if you only care about the things that Apple laptops are good at. Almost nobody needs a top-of-the-line laptop to do their tasks. Most things that people want to do with computers can be done on a machine that is five to ten years old without any trouble at all. For example I use a ThinkPad T460p, and while the geekbench scores for its proc…

A lot of people don't have a desktop so a very powerful laptop that just works (tm) well for software development and can be lugged around effortlessly is ideal. I haven't owned a desktop myself in years and many engineers I know have been letting their rigs collect dust as the laptop just does it all.

For the price, there isn't something comparable in all respects.