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Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by hnfong »

bilbo0s wrote: post #156
basisword wrote: post #145

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As cool as that would be, why would they? I mean what do they have to gain from it? Maybe a few more Linux users will buy MacBook's but not enough to impact their bottom line. Plus those users wouldn't be part of the Apple ecosystem and at least since the iPod Apple's goal has been bringing you into the ecosystem.

More importantly, those users would complain and some would even ask for support. As horrible as this is going to sound, I'm thinking both Apple and Microsoft file that under: "Some users are not worth the trouble." Probably OK for server users though? But Apple doesn't really make servers.

Speaking of fancy new chips for servers, I'm not seeing anyone complain about Amazon not opening up their graviton processors... (can't even buy one for F's sake, have to lease them via AWS)

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

et2o wrote: post #812
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #794

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"Windows, that is even in 2021 is still a clanky garbage." MacOS is useless on desktop, it can't scale DPI of UI, if that's not clanky garbage i don't know what is. My large 4K screen either acts as an oversized 1080p display or turns into a blurry mess. Android and Windows both can efficiencltly use display with any aspect ratio and any DPI.

It scales fine for me on 4K. Do you have the most recent Mac OS?

You misunderstand - the MacOS software stack can only scale the UI to 1x,2x, 3x. So you can either use 4K display at 2X scaling, which gives you fullhd worth of realestate with Retina resolution. Or you can use it at 1x, ehich gives you tiny icons.

When you use 'looks like 2560/qHD', then the OS renders to a virtual surface, pretending it has a 5K screen attached. Then it downscales that image, and outputs it. The result is janky straign lines, blurry'er text, etc.

Modern Windows and Android render their UI natively in any resolution, and so you don't get issues. The caviat is that windows has 3 UI frameworks, and the oldest one is still found is some places, that's the one that doesn't scale.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by concinds »

haspok wrote: post #767
concinds wrote: post #712

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Even if you don't look at refurbished, here in France, a MacBook Air is 1029€ brand new. A comparable ThinkPad X1 Carbon is 2499€ minimum (that's the base model, with 256GB/8GB, but with a high-res screen). A comparable Dell XPS 13 is 1699€ (same, cheapest one with a high-res screen you can buy; though you can't have the high-res screen without buying 512/16GB). The ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 (successor to T490, supposed to…

Hm, the XPS 13 base model is a bit cheaper than the Air base model (in Austria), the screens are comparable (FHD+ is lower res than Retina, but then 4K is far more, so there is no direct comparison). I do have a 13" XPS and I can tell you, the basic screen (FHD in my case) is more than good enough. But I was just blown away how expensive Lenovo has become. HP has always been expensive. I'm also looking at the fresh L…

Interesting, I just went back on the XPS website and the base, 1080p XPS 13 with 11th gen Intel is 1000€ for 512GB. I remember it being much more when I checked this morning. That does seem like a great price.

I think I found the issue: when you select the 13" from the products page, it shows 1000€, but if you select it, then switch the configurator to the 2-in-1 13", and then switch back the 11th gen 13", the base model with 256GB now costs 1400€. That website bug cost Dell a sale, since I would have definitely bought it instead of the M1 Air if I had seen the real price. What a shame!

Funnily enough also, when I configure it with 4K, then switch back to 1080p and switch every option back, it costs 1050€ instead of 1000€ for the exact same config.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by refracture »

ungamed wrote: post #811
refracture wrote: post #797

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Here's a different take to that: If I refuse to use Windows as my OS on my Dell Inspiron 7559 I have to live with like 2 hours of battery life and a hot lap because power management doesn't work properly. So much as watching a YouTube video under Linux makes it loud and hot. Same laptop could do 9+ consistently for me in Windows and remained quiet unless I was actually putting load on it. The reading I've done on the…

> The reading I've done on the Framework laptops makes it sound like this situation has not improved. And yet I hear otherwise.. maybe your referencing the original review units that didnt run on 5.14.

It's possible, and when actively in the market I'll always revisit such things.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by alwillis »

zimpenfish wrote: post #684
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That being said, this is the first time they're confident enough in their own processor to rewrite their whole desktop Pretty sure it wasn’t a matter of confidence, as Apple has been signaling making their own desktop processor for a while. There was an iPad launch a few years ago where Phil Schiller said that particular A-series processor had desktop-class performance like three different times. Also, it’s the third…

> There’s no doubt they’ve known for years they could do this if needed. Honestly would not be surprised if it comes out at some point in the future that they launched the ARM-Mac project as soon as they'd successfully switched to Intel.

Honestly would not be surprised if it comes out at some point in the future that they launched the ARM-Mac project as soon as they'd successfully switched to Intel.

If not right after the switch to Intel, certainly when the A7 was on the drawing board, since it was the first mainstream 64-bit ARM processor.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by webmobdev »

lanza wrote: post #558
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #245

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> I just can't figure out what I'm missing on the "M1 is so fast" side of things. Two reasons: 1. M1 is a super fast laptop chip. It provides mid-range desktop performance in a laptop form factor with mostly fanless operation. No matter how you look at it, that's impressive. 2. Apple really dragged their feet on updating the old Intel Macs before the transition. People in the Mac world (excluding hackintosh) were stu…

You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

That's a lot of if's and but's that ignores a very important fact - most of Apple's top engineers from their CPU division have already quit Apple ...

Source: Apple CPU Gains Grind To A Halt And The Future Looks Dim As The Impact From The CPU Engineer Exodus To Nuvia And Rivos Starts To Bleed In - https://semianalysis.com/apple-cpu-gains-grind-to-a-halt-and...

If they can't innovate, all they can do is keep increasing the core count ... don't think that'll help them compete with future AMD / Intel / ARM or RISC cpus in the long term.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by webmobdev »

adrianN wrote: post #576
lanza wrote: post #558

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You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

> It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop. ...if you only care about the things that Apple laptops are good at. Almost nobody needs a top-of-the-line laptop to do their tasks. Most things that people want to do with computers can be done on a machine that is five to ten years old without any trouble at all. For example I use a ThinkPad T460p, and while the geekbench scores for its proc…

> It might be a long time before it makes sense to buy a non-Apple laptop.

They already don't make sense as the M1 isn't a "general purpose" CPU like Intel or AMD that support multiple operating systems, and even the development of new ones. Instead, the M1 is a black-box that only fully supports macOS - that's a crippling limitation for many of us.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by webmobdev »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #810
lanza wrote: post #558

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You're missing out on the fact that Apple didn't release a 12980hk or 5980hx competitor. These are 30 watt chips that trounce the competition's 65 watt (e.g. the 12980hk and 5980hx) and beyond chips. Hell, this Geekbench is faster than a desktop 125 watt 11900k. It's faster than a desktop 105 watt 5800x. Apple intentionally played to the competition here. They know AMD/Intel reach some performance level X and release…

I have an amd laptop and wife has an M1. Mine has twice RAM, twice SSD, more ports, is 10% lighter and 20% cheaper.

And your AMD laptop can run many OSes, while your wife will forever be stuck on macOS on the Apple M1 laptop whose hardware is designed to be hard to repair and upgrade ...

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by giantrobot »

spfzero wrote: post #289
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My M1 MBA is measurably faster than the i9 MBP it replaced in several purely software tasks. At the very least it performs on par with the i9. There's plenty of ARM-specific optimization in macOS that gives boosts to M1s over Intel but the chips are just faster for many tasks than Intel.

Since Apple has been relying on Intel processors for many years now, I'd bet they've spent more time optimizing MacOS for Intel at this point. On the other hand, iOS has given them a quick way to transfer optimization knowledge.

> I'd bet they've spent more time optimizing MacOS for Intel at this point.

Keep in mind a lot of the core libraries on macOS and iOS have been shared since the inception of iOS. The kernel, CoreFoundation, and FoundationKit are on both platforms. There's also a bunch of other shared frameworks even before Catalyst. So much of macOS's foundational code has been running and optimized for ARM almost as long as Apple has been using Intel.

Re: Apple M1 Max Geekbench Score

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Post by stjohnswarts »

adrianN wrote: post #596
dijit wrote: post #580

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This is a really useless comparison. A 10 year old laptop will be extremely slow compared to any modern laptop and the battery will have degraded. The T460 has knock off battery replacements floating around but that’s not exactly reassuring. Granted: it works for you (and me, actually, I’m one of those people who likes to use an old thinkpad; x201s in my case though I mostly use a dell precision these days) but peopl…

Not everyone needs 15+ hours of battery life. I'd argue that most people don't. Laptops were extremely popular when the battery life was two hours. Now even older laptops get 5h+.

for me it's the heat and lack of fan noise. I know that's not something that bothers some people but I thoroughly enjoy (the lack) of it.
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