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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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“ I wanted to support "big brand w/ Linux preinstalled"” Look at Lenovo maybe :)

Just heads up: Danish cities can't buy Lenovo laptops, at least certain models, because Lenovo can't guarantee that they are not made using Uyghur slave labour. So if that's important to you, maybe don't buy Lenovo.

Wow. Gotta give it to the Danish.

> can't guarantee that they are not made using Uyghur slave labour.

That's big corp speak for admitting they do, right?

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Haha I should have mentioned that one as a repeat offender. After the Surface wakes up, reboots, makes noise, gets hot, and drains 20% of its battery, if I then run "powercfg.exe /lastwake" it'll pretend that it did not wake up X_X And in my case, there wasn't any non-Microsoft drivers on the system. The issue appears to be that they do magical stuff when they spot a WiFi connection, or when my WiFi router does its d…

Offtopic: > or when my WiFi router does its daily reboot. Damn, I think that might fix 99% of the issues I have with my WiFi router.

I scheduled my WiFi router to reboot once a week. Ever since then I have to think about it about as often as I do my microwave.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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> doesn’t do any of the auto install and restart crap That's misleading. LTSC version does everything regular versions do exactl wrt automatic updates and wakeups. Only difference is you can disable these with group policy in enterprise versions (which ltsc is)

You can absolutely disable them in the Pro and Home editions.

Updates are mandatory in Home edition. Sure you can brute-force your way around it but that hardly counts as disabling it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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This isn't a "lately" thing. In 2007, a friend of mine postponed his Windows updates often enough that the machine just restarted to install updates _in the middle of the day while he was using it_. This wasn't a glitch either: there was an Update pop-up that just informed him "fuck you I'm restarting in X minutes". I'm in awe at how much contempt some guy at Microsoft must have for users and their use-cases to conce…

I'm in two minds on this. As a user, it does irritate me that I'm forced to put all my work on hold to install updates. However, as a security professional, I think the general population doesn't understand just how critical it is to stay up to date with software updates. Sometimes we have to force them!

Causing fires in travelers' backpacks is not a worthwhile trade-off for security, sorry.

Neither is getting awakened at 4am by plinks from the OS intending to alert you to the installation of updates. If you're going to have so little respect for the user then just install them w/o making any noise.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…

I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?

I've been buying Dell Vostro laptops and they certainly feel premium and have decent battery life. This years model removed the SATA port where you could expand storage with a cheap HDD, but it does have an extra M.2 drive and expandable memory.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Note, this isn't Dell specific - the loss of s3 sleep is coming from Intel and Microsoft. The idea is that S0ix is supposed to "replace" s3, but (at least on Linux) it's a horrible mess. I have a System76/Clevo - ostensibly one of the better choices for running Linux - and S0ix at best drains like ~5% of my battery overnight, and at worst it doesn't work at all. Some will quip that I shouldn't expect sleep to work on…

Just got a i5-1135g7 system can't make ubuntu to wake up my screen. seems like it won't be fixed. and windows s3 wake is just very slow, need 5-8s to wake.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#897

I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…

You can disable some of this by disabling the wake timers setting in your bios/UEFI menu.

I personally turned them on intentionally, as I mostly use my PC as a music/fine server these days; I configured most of my applications (bubbleupnp, nginx, airsonic, everything, etc) to start up either as system services on boot; the rest (WSL, fb2k, calibre) start up on login via schtasks, so if my they aren't working remotely I can just login via TeamViewer to log into my profile. Without this setup, my computer would _never_ get updates, as I don't sit down at it much anymore.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Same here - My UDM Pro is over 90 days uptime, and that last reboot was only because I did an upgrade. I have heard of some people having problems, but mine has been flawless so far.

I've ordered a UPS and I guess I'll see if that's the issue. I use a lot of fans in my house to circulate air, and when someone uses the microwave, half of the fans slow down, and half speed up significantly. no idea how half could speed up, but they do. so, something is up with something, somewhere. I expect this UPS to beep a lot.

oh that could easily do it! anytime there are weird issues with computers and no obvious cause power and/or RAM are the likely culprits.

good luck! hope it works, UDM pro isn't without its issues, but it's pretty dang good for what it does!

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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And you believe your experience is statistically significant.

n=1, but we still weight it x20 because we have the most data on it.

I'm really exhausted by this trend of people adding the word "probability" to their argument because they think it makes it stronger. Just no.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Reminds me of the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. I have had an XPS since 2017, it had everything I wanted (I thought) - but I seriously regretted the decision almost immediately. High-intensity tasks (gaming…

> the push a while back to rebrand laptops as "notebooks" - because many laptops (esp Dell XPS) are not built with a strong enough backbone to keep their own weight from sagging in the middle, and because they get hot enough to cause damage to legs. This wasn't a rebranding, it was a category of laptop. Cheap, small, and light, designed for people who intended to offload many local functions to the cloud. -- https://…

Afraid Netbook and Notebook are two very different categories.

Had a couple of netbooks in my time, they were pretty good for what they were.

But no, I'm talking about full-blown 15-17 inch laptops that were so poorly built that if you tried to rest them on your lap, the trackpad would stop working, or keys on the keyboard would randomly press, and repeated lap-use would make it worse over time.

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