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This was debunked so many times and people still repeat this crap. No government mandates lack of charger.

> No government mandates lack of charger. They mandate that the charger be optional. The charger is indeed optional, and you don't pay for the charger if you don't opt-in. What exactly else do you want?

I want you to read this thread again and try see what was logically implied.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Seems strange that they're releasing new Macbook pros now we now that they'll be legacy products with the Macbook neos.

Macbook neo is most probably a cheap low end laptop, or a very small laptop. (with rumors that it uses A-series processors) It's not competing with Macbook pros which are the top line for laptop power users.

No, if you name your product literally Neo, you're indicating it's the latest and greatest, it will clearly have better specs than the pro.

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I feel like Apple pulled an Instant Pot with the M1 MacBook Pro. I still haven't had a single situation where I felt like spending more money would improve my experience. The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter.

> The battery is wearing out a bit, but it started out life with so much runtime that losing a few hours doesn't seem to matter. this is my exact opposite experience. my M3 Max from 2 years ago now has <2hrs battery life at best. wondering if any experts here can help me figure out what is going on? what should i be expecting?

I find Chrome to be the biggest culprit for battery life on my M2 MacBook Pro.

Which is fine, I use Firefox usually, but any time I open Chrome it just seems to drain the battery super fast.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%. now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower. you wo…

A brand-new iMac G4 couldn't scroll smoothly in 2002. Apple has a long history of great-looking terrible performance.

That G4 was a dog in Mac OS X 10.1. I installed Yellow Dog, and it lit a rocket under its ass.

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I think this could go equally for Windows as well, and many other software (not just OS). I purpose refrained from Tahoe because I didn't like the design but I wanted to know what the consensus was on it before upgrading. Apparently it's bad! Win 11 is bad compared to Win 10 as well. I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

> I think this could go equally for Windows as well Absolutely. Why are all the buttons centred on the task bar for Windows 11? Violation of so many design rules. Literally the worst part of MacOS they took there which contradicted other reasons for the design. Throwing the mouse to the corner for a start button no longer works. I could go on. > I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there. Gnome i…

> GNOME is great

For a different opinion, please see https://woltman.com/gnome-bad/

GNOME is extremely opinionated.

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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Was hoping to see Apple break the 128GB barrier in a laptop that they previously set, though 128GB is still pretty sweet for local LLM inference on consumer hardware. My 128GB M3 Max is still shredding tokens pretty well (with that annoying slow initial prompt processing), so no major complaints there. I guess the question is, given access to the same amount of RAM, does the M5 really do an order-of-magnitude better…

The new tensor cores significantly speed up prompt processing. Up to 3x faster per the marketing information.

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Impressive. Four years in and my once €2100 M1 Pro is worth maybe €600.

You can try selling it in Asia (Singapore / Malaysia). You can get a good deal for it there usually if your battery cycle count is low. One thing I really learned is - it's super important to keep the battery cycle count low if you want a good resale value on your machine. I was extremely fortunate enough with the M1 Pro to always use it plugged in because I was constantly worried about not having enough battery when…

Does replacing the battery reset the cycle count? If so, does it raise the resale value by more than the cost of a replacement battery?

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I love the following section of their copy: > Even More Value for Upgraders > The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac. I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!" I think I will get another 2-5 years…

I have a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM - for development work, there is 0 reason to upgrade it. All day battery, silent, small, no lag...

Re: MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max

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> my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware. The general case is hardly a "tinfoil hat theory". They openly do that, and the major reason is to tie to new hardware adoption. That said, it doesn't usually work like you call it. It's not adding new features depending on HW optimization to slow older machines down (after all one could just not use those features in an older machine, o…

I don't think it's even a broad strategy from PM or higher ups. I actually think it's engineers inside the company who want to play with the coolest hardware and the build features for the newest stuff. Features can be made to work with older hardware but that requires more time and optimization which they never get, so someone takes a call that x and y features only work on newer gen hardware.

In my new position (on a different product) I don't have enough fingers to count how many times the previous guy bullshitted the PO/PM with "that's not possible" of having some features / workflows enabled. Just because he didn't bother thinking through it or just didn't want to do it. Most of the stuff is a bit boring but just a few days of work and test. So yeah I entirely agree with you.

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I'm an enthusiast. I absolutely love hardware. From ESP32 and RPi to Threadripper, I love it all. I like the odd performance differences and the obvious ones. I like the chunk of a floppy disk, whir of a disk platter, the scklick and chick of an ODD... I even love the complete silence of my Mac Studio. Thing is, I am kind of sick of Apple releasing new machines with zero new features. I get it. Each M series entry is amazing. What Apple did with their SoMs is the most worthy of using the "magic" label than anything they've ever done, but for the love of all that is good in the world, focus on your darned OS. Make it decent again. I'm not even referring to Liquid Glass. I am more saying I want consistency, I want the UNIX layer to get some love, I want the read-only root to be completely transparent to me and not introduce bugs in random places, I want performance improvements, I want options to disable all of the security layers if I so choose, and I want the ability to drop to a TTY from the login screen back.
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