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Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Re: Poll: Will you take the Covid vaccine?

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Post by Kliment »

melling wrote: post #513
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They typically need to go for much longer for two reasons: 1. You normally don't expose so many people to an untested medicine, so trials tend to be smaller than this. In this case there was no shortage of volunteers, and the larger the trial the faster it can reach a certain level of confidence in a result. 2. Normally, with vaccines, you need to wait a very long time for enough people to contract the disease and me…

They want the long-term study to continue, without giving those with a placebo the vaccine. What are the next steps and goals?

There is actually a plan to gradually offer all placebo group patients the vaccine. This will be done in small groups at a time, in order to not inform all remaining participants which group they are in. The plan is to have all placebo group participants be offered a vaccine before the end of the trial. This doesn't break the trial, because there is already a good confidence level for the efficacy results, and the side effects investigation can always use additional participants. This also enables in-patient control, where you can compare the placebo condition and the treatment condition within the same patient.

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Post by dilap »

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I feel reasonably confident my overall health is good enough that if I got COVID it would be OK. The vaccine, while probably fine, seems like more of a wildcard to me. It seems like a low-probability lottery ticket to bad news, whereas COVID seems like a lower-probability lottery ticket to bad news. (Of course, the government may force the issue. I hope not, though. My body, my choice and all that.)

I'm young, I was in good overall health, I took precautions, I developed covid symptoms 2 weeks ago and I'm fighting it off in a hospital right now. I came in with partially collapsed lungs and pneumonia. I'm expected to be here until next week. This virus is something from hell. It is a miserable and scary experience that I wouldn't wish on anyone. I would take a vaccine (only Pfizer or Moderna) and the associated r…

Sorry to hear that; wishing you a speedy and full recovery.

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Post by rstuart4133 »

Easy - I will take it as soon as it becomes available.

But that's a trick answer. I live in the antipodes. They seem putting the covid vaccines are going the same validation process they put every vaccine through, and that takes time. So an antipode YES is about the same as a USA I WILL WAIT, but with a big implied dose of I trust my government to get it right thrown in.

Gawd, I feel so smug.

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Post by dmix »

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The other half of it, for the early days at least, is the fear of lining up with hundreds of people who are more likely to be high risk people. Putting yourself in higher risk. My pharmacy does COVID testing but only if you show no symptoms. The gov health networks tell symptomatic people to be tested in hospital set up centers. But high risk people are still high risk people, whether they are showing symptoms or not…

CVS does a complete no touch COVID testing via the drive thru.

We don’t have that in then city I live in. I just remember the lines for H1N2 that went out the door and took an hour and required you to sit there for 10min in case you had a reaction.

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Post by h3cate »

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Also people with allergies. This was found out after two people that got the vaccine had allergic reactions to it (no idea how severe)...

Those two had severe pre-existing allergies (to the point where they carry epi pens), and had non-fatal reactions to the vaccine. If you’re in the 0.1% of the population with severe allergies, you should skip most vaccines. Herd immunity is a thing, and (most — probably these) vaccines will protect you by making the people around you stop spreading it. If you’re in this category, you’d have already been told so by yo…

No your final point isn't true. These people were administered the vaccine by their doctors. The simple fact of the matter is that this vaccine hasn't had rigorous testing like other vaccines hence them finding out new information about after it's been administered

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Post by h3cate »

Omnus wrote: post #686
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Unfortunately it's impossible to have this conversation when the person is saying "I'm following the science but I won't explain the science to you". You may as well run into a brick wall

No. The onus is on you to explain why experts who have devoted their entire lives to groundbreaking vaccine research are wrong. It's like arguing with a 5 year old.

Bahaha why should the onus be on me, who is not a scientist, to explain the science that I don't know and nobody seems willing to explain?

If somebody said I've discovered time travel and the onus is on you to prove me wrong you'd call them out.

Explain the science or gtfo

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Post by h3cate »

Omnus wrote: post #691
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Are we talking about the same process which allowed companies for decades to hide trials which where not in their favor? Or until recently where not obliged to publish the trial results? Not to forget, many trials are not reproducible either. Compared to the "hard" sciences, medicine has not very high standards. And trials are completely profit-motivated, that's a bad incentive. These trials are conducted by the same…

None of those criticisms apply to these vaccine studies. There are many issues that can arise in trials, of course. But the current batch of 3-phase mRNA-based vaccine trials have all been intensely scrutinized at every turn. I think it will be difficult for you to argue otherwise, but feel free to enlighten us about the data corruption conspiracy if you have some evidence.

They didn't pick up the reactions people with allergies have in the "intense scrutiny". What have they tested it for? What sort of scrutiny did this vaccine come under?

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Post by Friedduck »

I’ll take it and I’ve already had and recovered from COVID. We know virtually nothing about the viruses long-term effects. Anecdotally there’s quite a bit to be fearful of.

At least with the Pfizer vaccine there were only 2 in 10,000, reported to have serious side effects. Much better odds.

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Post by modmans2nd »

bird_monster wrote: post #681
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So your argument is "government bad". I counter with "government good". See how productive this discussion is?

As someone else already pointed out, my claim was in fact "government is massively inefficient", with a wealth of evidence to support this claim.

I mean....Republicans have spent 40 years breaking government so they can prove themselves correct.
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