To the people who are going to wait because they want it to be tested more:
What kind of concerns do you have? Would you feel more comfortable taking a Adenovirus/inactivated vaccine instead of an mRNA vaccine?
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#302Earlier quoted context omitted.
> People who are super social (or stupid + spreading the plague) What if somebody has asymptomatic covid infection? He or she spreads it without intent, you can not blame them.
I doubt any one would spread with intent, which is probably criminal.
I was alluding to legal situation and term of Negligent homicide/Involuntary manslaughter; it is defined as "the killing of another person without the intent to kill, but where the person's death occurs as a result of the negligent or reckless actions of the defendant."
In the situation of Covid it would be something like infecting another person without the intent to infect, but where the person's health might be endangered as a result of the negligent or reckless actions of the defendant (the one who spread the virus).
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#303Will be actively doing testing, and will likely be among the first wave of "guinea pigs". Still going to take it, unless science says otherwise at that moment. There's a lot to be said for taking this more seriously than the current WFH group on HN (which seems to be quite a large one).
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#304We’re about to get 10 million data points. To me it doesn’t look like they have a lot of data yet. Don’t these studies typically need to go for much longer? The Pfizer study: 43,448 patients ages 16 and up. 19,000 vaccinated patients 170 people caught the Coronavirus Of the sick people: - 162 received a placebo - 8 received the vaccine
They typically need to go for much longer for two reasons:
1. You normally don't expose so many people to an untested medicine, so trials tend to be smaller than this. In this case there was no shortage of volunteers, and the larger the trial the faster it can reach a certain level of confidence in a result.
2. Normally, with vaccines, you need to wait a very long time for enough people to contract the disease and measure how effective it actually is. In this case, there are so many people infected in the general population, that reaching the required number of participants infected happened much faster than usual. In fact, when the trial was planned in the spring, it was expected that it wouldn't reach its required 164 infected participants until sometime in late summer 2021. The reason this happened so quick is that the number of infections in the general population exploded, and so the required data was available much earlier.
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#305I will not be taking anything under any sort of widespread social pressure or appeals to authority. I fundamentally lack trust in modern medicine and society in general to the point that it doesn't matter what "scientific evidence" says. Modern medical care gives us robotic, heartless nonsense like "routine" circumcision. Humanity cannot be trusted to act intelligently and empathically on a collective level.
I'm a skeptic asshole who second guesses claims just because I have access to Google scholar and sci-hub, a good for nothing contrarian made dangerous by the internet. Adult hall monitors trying to shame people over anything covid-related are disgusting people. I'll take the firing squad before any injections.
To some degree it doesn't matter what sort of revelations or facts I come across, not that they can't or won't change my opinions. They will, and I can admit being wrong. I'm very much interested in an empirical worldview. This is different, however. It's "fuck you, I don't trust you to work in my best interests".
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#306Remember Thalidomide? Remember asbestos?
I'll wait.
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#307I'm surprised to see such a high percentage of "NO" responses. I'm genuinely curious to understand why
Do these vaccines prevent a person from spreading the virus? I've heard a number of times that these will prevent the person who got the vaccine from getting sick, but that it won't prevent them from spreading the disease. If that is the case then I could understand why a young healthy person would not want the vaccine as the risk to them from covid is extremely low.
Early thinking is that the virus still lives in the throat and can still be passed if you have had the vaccine. You won't get sick but the whole problem with this virus is people spreading it because they have not yet developed symptoms. Short answer, it doesn't look like it no.
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#308Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also you might split up the "No" answer as "No, because I've already had COVID and recovered" vs. "No, I'm an anti-vaxxer" (or something).
It might be a good idea to get the vaccine even if you've already had COVID. There's not been any CDC recommendations about it, but here's what they do say. > There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but m…
Surely there is also not enough information on how long after vaccination someone is protected. This doesn't seem like a strong argument to me.
If infection with the actual virus doesn't confer immunity, I don't see much reason to think that the vaccine will work any better.
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#309Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or alternately, what the GP is really telling us is that the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos.
> the rich and powerful are easily duped into spending their money on placebos That was frankly my line of questioning. But at least in the German case, the vials and packaging looked legitimate. And it was a reputable doctor administering it at their home who claimed to have directly procured it, though I’m sure that meant warehouse workers or something in the middle, so who knows.
If that is the case everyone involved is playing an exceptionally dangerous game and I can't imagine that this would be the norm, especially since I suspect the thieves will get greedy and screw up quickly.
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#310Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're assuming distribution will work fairly and optimally. That's very unlikely, especially because the initial rollout will still be overseen by the Trump admin.
You mean the admin that funded and fast-tracked the development and trials?
No, they mean the administration that still hasn't provided for adequate PPE, that turned down the offer of another 100 million doses of the 95% efficacy Pfizer vaccine, which is available now, and instead bought 300 million doses of the Astra-Zenica 62% efficacy vaccine, which does not meet the task force's minimum efficacy requirements and will not be available until summer.