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Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Absolutely, but to say medical staff can’t get or spread flu is false

By making that point though, you deliberately making an argument to support the 'it's just like flu' theory of not worrying. Which is a flawed viewpoint.

I’m 100% not making that point, nor do I believe it

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Yup, gotta protect that shareholder value! sigh

You do understand that 99.9% of businesses in Italy are small and medium companies with fewer than 250 employees [1], yes? [1] http://doitbetter.info/smes-overview/

Yes, and small and medium companies have expenses, yes? And a plurality of those expenses go to billion dollar, multinational companies, yes? If you quarantine an area, people stop purchasing oil, yes?

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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> The problem with this is that a 14 day total economic halt will be devastating. Yup, gotta protect that shareholder value! sigh

Or, you know, the supply lines of food, medicine, etc. that make modern life possible. What's the phrase? Something like a country is never more than a week without food from revolution?

You can maintain all of this in a quarantine situation with proper planning.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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I think worse. But i askari think it will go exactly like the Spanish flu. We will have a second wave which will also kill the younger.

Why would you think that? By the way, the Spanish was harsh on younger generations in all cases.

Nope, the first wave of the flu only killed older people and people with a low immune system. Just like the corona virus. The Spanish flu hit in three waves. The first like this one. The second wave hit the younger. The third wave hit the rest.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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You might think this is strange, but the short answer is yes. Now a slightly longer one. Guidelines on how infection risk can be minimised are very consistent. And they make perfect sense. So yes, that's the advice I give my two kids, my parents (both of which fall into the high risk age groups, luckily they are following that advice already without me), and the advice I follow myself. WHO recommendations are based o…

> Guidelines on how infection risk can be minimised are very consistent. You are talking about different scales, here. One thing is "here is what the experts are saying to minimize the chance of contagion on the Ubahn", another is "the experts are saying that is okay to fly to China, so yeah, why should I not be on a plane to Shanghai for a plant inspection that could be postponed without any larger impact to my busi…

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Trouble is, once its a catastrophe, its too late to put the cat back in the bag?

Why do we keep circling back to this? It is/was a catastrophe in Wuhan, and the cat is reluctantly being forced back into the bag. By existence, it is not too late. See my earlier comment in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22532892

yes, but it seems like that strict of measures are necessary to bring it rapidly to heel. Different countries can go different ways (japan and skorea doing nicely just keeping the curve nice and flat so far) but US has no socialized anything, poor federal govt response so far, inability of people to take time off work etc...not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that if we're gonna have a nice little quantitative lesson in a year of which societies responded well and which ones didn't, I'm kinda pissed to be in the "don't be them" experimental group

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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They do until they hit their inflection point.

Which they do by themselves. Not everyone who is infected dies, survivors develop a certain level of immunity (generally speaking), cured people don't infect other people. Some people are "immune" right from the start. So epidemics slow down, the part of a given population not getting it or infecting others increases with time. Which automatically slows down the spreading of the disease. All measures we take optimize…

All correct, but a highly contagious virus might still infect 20-70% of the entire population. Not 100% of the population, but the difference does not matter.

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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You might think this is strange, but the short answer is yes. Now a slightly longer one. Guidelines on how infection risk can be minimised are very consistent. And they make perfect sense. So yes, that's the advice I give my two kids, my parents (both of which fall into the high risk age groups, luckily they are following that advice already without me), and the advice I follow myself. WHO recommendations are based o…

> Guidelines on how infection risk can be minimised are very consistent. You are talking about different scales, here. One thing is "here is what the experts are saying to minimize the chance of contagion on the Ubahn", another is "the experts are saying that is okay to fly to China, so yeah, why should I not be on a plane to Shanghai for a plant inspection that could be postponed without any larger impact to my busi…

Nationalistic flamewar and personal attacks will get you banned here. Please don't post like this to HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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This over-reliance on "experts" is what got things to this state in the first place. Not that long ago, WHO was adamant in saying that flying to China was still okay and that "there was no reason to take extreme measures". How many lives were lost because of that? Conversely, had they recommended more aggressive contention measures, how many trips would have been avoided? How much slower would the virus come to Europ…

Mass-extinction? That escalated quickly. Maybe uninstall Plague Inc. for a while? And no, that is exactly not how risk assessment is supposed to work.

Your comments are breaking the site guidelines by being snarky and posting in the flamewar style. Please don't do that. It's not what this site is for, and it evokes worse from others.

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Re: Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country

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Which they do by themselves. Not everyone who is infected dies, survivors develop a certain level of immunity (generally speaking), cured people don't infect other people. Some people are "immune" right from the start. So epidemics slow down, the part of a given population not getting it or infecting others increases with time. Which automatically slows down the spreading of the disease. All measures we take optimize…

All correct, but a highly contagious virus might still infect 20-70% of the entire population. Not 100% of the population, but the difference does not matter.

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