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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by jeltz »

gen3 wrote: post #228
syntaxing wrote: post #21

I find the edit video with text the most fascinating aspect. I can see this being used for indie films that doesn’t have a CGI budget. Like the scene with the movie theater, you can film them on lounge chairs first and then edit it to seem like a movie theater.

100% agree, the background replace that puts the guy into a stadium would be fully usable as a cut in a movie/tv show, and the background is believable enough that no one would bat an eye. If you use it properly, I expect a quality uplift on indie films/shorts. Your limit is your creativity

I personally expect a decrease in quality. Without limits people tend to get less creative. Sure, there is some balance here in that tools also enable new things to be done which are not possible without tools but working around limits has often inspired some of the most creative works.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by jeltz »

magicalhippo wrote: post #815
coolandsmartrr wrote: post #794

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That quality filter may come from highly-tuned personalization. I remember seeing low-quality but viral content on YouTube, so I kept telling it "Don't Recommend This" for quite a while (month-ish). Now it's better, but the recommendation algorithm needs a lot of samples labeled negative.

I've never had to do this much, just a few cases. However I'm also super-cautious not to view slop on my main account, instead doing so in a private tab. So not feeding the algorithm seems to work as well.

Yeah, if you decide to check out slop once your feed will be drowned in spam. Similar to how I looked at a couple more pro-Russian videos to get s nuanced perspective and then my whole feed was filled with conspiracy shit and nazi stuff.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by makeitdouble »

oscillatingpie wrote: post #709
makeitdouble wrote: post #702

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> reading books The harder part to me: "books" aren't great in average. There's an ocean of garbage books basically mass produced by ghost writers, solely targeted at milking a socially hot topic or grifting. There's an obesity epidemic ? Let's make 3000 new books repackaging classic diets under new catchy titles and see which sticks. AI is coming ? Let's throw money at anyone with a vaguely related blog and expand t…

There's more than a lifetime of good literature, good non-fiction, good genre fiction to read. No one is making you read dross.

It's the same for every medium though: good stuff will be good, dross will be dross. So why books in particular ?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by Y_Y »

cloverich wrote: post #476
benabbott wrote: post #395

Things are about to get weird. We can't control this at any level: At the level of image/video synthesis: Some leading companies have suggested they put watermarks in the content they create. Nice thought, but open source will always be an option, and people will always be able to build un-watermarked tools. At the level of law: You could attempt to pass a law banning image/video generation entirely, or those without…

My favorite idea that nobody is talking about is how news organizations are about to get a second life. As soon as it becomes actually impossible to distinguish AI content from human content, news organizations will have the opportunity to provide that layer of analysis in a way that potentially can't be (easily) automated. They are ironically against it but IDK maybe they should be excited about it. Would love someo…

I have the same suspicion, though I wonder if they won't immediately try to "cut open the golden goose" and decide that misusing why about it trust for short term gain is favorable (for the person making the decision, if not the organization).

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by fragmede »

jeltz wrote: post #861
gen3 wrote: post #228

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100% agree, the background replace that puts the guy into a stadium would be fully usable as a cut in a movie/tv show, and the background is believable enough that no one would bat an eye. If you use it properly, I expect a quality uplift on indie films/shorts. Your limit is your creativity

I personally expect a decrease in quality. Without limits people tend to get less creative. Sure, there is some balance here in that tools also enable new things to be done which are not possible without tools but working around limits has often inspired some of the most creative works.

And without being forced to interact with other people. The movie made by one creative and 100 automatons does not ai all compare to the one where there are multiple brilliant creatives butting heads and personalities and choosing never to work with each other again but the show must go on.

How many movie lines have been adlibbed but are absolute classics? Sonofabitch, he stole my line!

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by lagadu »

ipaddr wrote: post #620
M4v3R wrote: post #58

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It will be a loong time before AI can produce lead actors that are believable, act exactly the way you as a director want and tell the story you want to tell, so I think at least for now you'll still need the actors for the lead roles. But I can totally this being used for generating people/stuff in the background of certain shots in a low budget movie.

Isn't that a core problem now. Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem. But this limits promotion where actors do interviews and sell the movie to the public. It also limits an actor doing something crazy that tanks a movie like a tweet.

> Getting actors to act exactly how you want was never a solved problem.

As a choreographer myself, that's not necessarily a problem but rather a feature: it depends on how the director creates. Often you want what's unique to the performer, you don't want them to do something that's exactly like what you envisioned but whatever their interpretation/vision of it is, the "imperfectness" is what makes it interesting and rich.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by mike_hearn »

rolux wrote: post #657
mike_hearn wrote: post #275

The paper that comes with this is nearly as crazy as the videos themselves. At a cool 92 pages it's closer to a small book than a normal scientific publication. There's nearly 10 pages of citations alone. I'll have to work through this in the coming days, but here's a few interesting points from the first few sections. For a long time people have speculated about The Singularity. What happens when AI is used to impro…

Having read the paper, I agree that this is an enormous effort, but I didn't see anything that was particularly surprising from a technical point of view - and nothing of Singularity-level significance. The use of AI to train AI - as a source of synthetic data, or as an evaluation tool - is absolutely widespread. You will find similar examples in almost any AI paper dealing with a system of comparable scale.

Yeah I know, but you sometimes see posts on HN that talk as if AI isn't already being used for self-improvement. I guess the subtlety is that people tend to imagine some sort of generic recursive self-improvement, and overlook the more tightly focused ways it's being used.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by joshstrange »

changing1999 wrote: post #589
wantsanagent wrote: post #544

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Imagine you've had an idea bouncing around in your head, or even an emotion, for a long time and you've never been able to express it. Then one day you push a button and a piece of art captures what you've been feeling perfectly. It's not the craft that drives attachment in this case but the emotional resonance of something that you think should exist finally existing.

AI mentioned above is not at the level of capturing and expressing ideas or emotions beyond "a sad rock song about a breakup". Try guiding it to express any clearly formed musical idea. Author's attachment is to a large degree based on the false notion that they somehow contributed to the creation process. The generic, frigid, un-interesting "product" that is produced by said AI is why no one other than the prompter…

That’s just not true. I’ve used Suno to generate songs where I have provided all the lyrics. Those lyrics came from a combo of LLMs and my steering/direct edits and then I ran the lyrics through Suno multiple times until I got something I wanted.

I can agree that:

> "a sad rock song about a breakup"

Is probably not going to capture or express your ideas or emotions because you haven’t given it enough. In contrast, writing the lyrics or giving the model a ton more context can absolutely produce something that captures and expresses your ideas and emotions.

At the end of the day I don’t make music for the masses (hell, I’ve only generated a handful of final songs that I’ve liked) but the people I have made them for (or the ones just for me) have enjoyed them quite a bit.

I’m not a songwriter nor am I a musician and I never will be. That’s not where my skills lie and it’s not a skillset I want to learn and hone. AI/LLM tools give me the ability to express myself in a medium that previously was effectively impossible and it makes people I care about smile and that’s good enough for me.

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