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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by hellojesus »

solarmist wrote: post #690
RajT88 wrote: post #384

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> but at least you don't have to provide your personal details to everybody on the internet demanding age verification. I think some of the aim of these bills is to shame people into not consuming vice.

More than some I’d guess. If they though they'd get away with it they would mandate public lists of who does these things.

Yes, but as of now there is no punishment for letting others borrow your oauth token. So just publish your oauth and let anyone use it to sign up for services.

It may get tricky if sites limit registration to unique keys, but so long as it's purely checking with a third party and not storing your info, they're shouldn't be a way to validate an id is used more than once.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by nocoolnametom »

tristor wrote: post #811
ssnistfajen wrote: post #805

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The LDS church has prohibited polygamy for well over a century now: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/polygamy-la... LGBT rights in Utah is also middle of the road among U.S. states. The LDS church also supported the recent Respect for Marriage Act unlike many other conservative Christian organizations. Your other points about climate and economy are extremely generic and not really a strong argument f…

> Consider travelling outside North America for once before making such egregious comparisons again. I've extensively traveled the world, to more than 70 countries, and have spent years of my life living abroad. The United States is far more diverse and heterogeneous than most other countries in the world, contrary to your statements. Some subsets of the US are regionally /very/ homogeneous, however, which is part of…

Also, the SLC branch of the LDS movement hasn't performed polygamist marriages (for the living) since 1904[1], but they never annulled existing marriages from before then, so it's still less than a century since the prohibition against living polygamous marriages has been fully in effect by not having any existing within the membership. It's also still 100% part of the doctrine when it comes to the next life, and D&C 132 has never been officially repudiated or removed from the open canon. The current President/Prophet is sealed to two women for time and all eternity. This is an option only available to the men of the church, no such thing as polyandry (even though Joseph Smith himself was married to married women).

As for the Respect for Marriage Act, they were pretty open about supporting it because it carves out exceptions against employment discrimination for religions (and they're certainly not the only religion to support it because of this). They're still pretty dead-set against having to support an employee's paycheck when that employee does everything else required for the job but is LGBTQ+. But I'd agree that the situation is getting better. SLC has a thriving LGBTQ population and social scene.

[1]: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topi...

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by bumby »

least wrote: post #554
bumby wrote: post #372

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I know HN tends toward the libertarian slant, but this same perspective can be applied to all kinds of ills that are regulated, from smoking to driving. This falls into the common refrain about "what do we do with kids who don't have responsible parents?" I'm not sure just letting the chips fall where they may when it comes to kids who got a shit roll of the dice when it comes to parents is a great societal solution.

I'd say that I don't think children should be limited in opportunity due to the circumstances of their upbringing, but with those considerations in mind, protecting them from finding a way to access pornography is pretty low on that list of priorities, especially given that legislation like this will be wholly ineffective at accomplishing its purported goal and will needlessly burden the people who are legally trying…

I think it's perfectly reasonable to say the risk isn't sufficient to justify this kind of action. But how exactly are you measuring the risk in terms of the higher priority risks you mention?

I think the danger is people revert to their intuition about what is risky, rather than defining it by an objective measure.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by jofer »

DontchaKnowit wrote: post #233
jofer wrote: post #145

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At the risk of starting a flame war, many of the current bills have absurdly broad language which makes it a crime to simply be in public dressed differently than your gender assigned at birth (i.e. somewhere where a minor _might_ be present). It's hard to argue the legislation that's being proposed (and passed) at a state and local level isn't having the effect of making it difficult to simply exist as a trans perso…

could you cite these bills? I am curious

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Senate_Bill_3 is a good example.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by hvis »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #427
loeg wrote: post #393

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Earlier you were concerned about the possible risk of addiction. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35788237 Are cars or guns regulated because of addiction? No. So GP compared porn to sugar, which is considered addictive and has probably more concrete evidence of self-harm than porn. I think the comparison is apt? Certainly fairer than comparing porn to driving a car or gun possession, which is sort of absurd.

Addictiveness was one of the multiple points I made about pornography. The other aspects apply to pornography and not to sugar. So it was apples and oranges to begin with. But in terms of addiction potential alone Utah already has precedent in legislating for that. Example: Utah doesn't allow minors to purchase alcohol because of its addictive nature.

Most of your other points related to how pornography is produced, not to its consumption. Thus it wouldn't matter who is watching it, and thus ID check seems irrelevant.

Some of the aspects of the porn market are not great, but they should be investigated by the relevant authorities. Hiding them from only certain people won't make them go away.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by DontchaKnowit »

jofer wrote: post #864
DontchaKnowit wrote: post #233

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could you cite these bills? I am curious

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Senate_Bill_3 is a good example.

Just gave it a once over - This is precisely what I was talking about - This is a bill which prohibits drag shows which appeal to a prurient interest from being open to all ages. How on earth is this "going after trans people". This is "Don't let kids into highly sexualized events - events which have lately allowed underage people to attend"

This seem reasonable to me, and even if its not reasonable, it is hardly "going after trans people".

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Post by [deleted] »

Brendinooo wrote: post #608
sophacles wrote: post #577

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“Sky wizard” is a bright red flag for a bad-faith argument, so I’m not going to do a bunch of research for you. Search around for voices of people who have struggled with porn addiction. If you think it’s a purely religious thing, you’re mistaken.

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by skrbjc »

GoofballJones wrote: post #523
theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon). And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of se…

Surely you understand that happening to see a woman's nipple is completely different to a 14 year old sitting up at 4am masterbating to whatever intense porn they can get their hands on are two completely different things. And if you think the latter is bad, as you should, then it makes sense to err on the side of caution when figuring out a way to reduce the likelihood of a young person, who has not fully developed a sense of self control, getting sucked into the wormhole of a porn addiction. If that means reducing the likelihood of an innocent breast being seen, then that seems like a reasonable trade-off.

Also, you say Europe is more open about nudity, implying that is a good thing, but Asia and the middle east are in many cases more prudish than even the US, so why not look to them or use them as an example? Where's your objective measure for which societies we should admire and emulate?

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Post by scarface74 »

yamtaddle wrote: post #837
scarface74 wrote: post #773

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https://www.cdc.gov/marijuana/health-effects/teens.html > In 2019, 37% of US high school students reported lifetime use of marijuana and 22% reported use in the past 30 days.1 Past-year vaping of marijuana also remained steady in 2020 following large increases in 2018 and 2019. However, large percentages of middle and high school students reported past-year marijuana vaping—8% of eighth graders, 19% of 10th graders,…

I remember those surveys. I did so much meth.

You really don’t think a lot of teenagers are smoking weed?

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by zamadatix »

woeirua wrote: post #409
zamadatix wrote: post #357

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People don't (generally) want to stand next to a 13 year old while looking at what porn/sex toys to buy, but beyond that it's pretty much the same argument. Alcohol/drug sale restrictions are probably the more interesting half but I'm not so sure drugs and media are fungible. After all, there are valid places to draw the line beyond "no government involvement on anything whatsoever" and "government involvement on eve…

> People don't (generally) want to stand next to a 13 year old while looking at what porn/sex toys to buy, but beyond that it's pretty much the same argument That is not why people don't want kids in sex shops.

Correct, it does, however, make it extremely hard to find many willing to argue against status quo though.
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