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Post by softfalcon »

tedivm wrote: post #504
edgyquant wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way to regurgitate a tired argument. Kids are addicted to porn before they’re old enough to drive these days and it’s messes them up for life (see: the incel movement.) Something has to be done about corporations that profit off of showing literal children hardcore porn. “Talking to your kids” doesn’t work when multinational corporations are incentivized to addict them for ad revenue.

What evidence do you have that the incel movement is driven by pornography? I always attributed it to the recruitment efforts of the alt-right and other misogynistic groups.

In my experience, you are correct. The incel movement (and others like it) is a targeted attempt to enflame naive and susceptible target(s) to a polarized view of the world.

This is beneficial to the manipulators for various reasons, be they financial or political.

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Post by mrweasel »

rchaud wrote: post #310
tomjen3 wrote: post #222

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Porn is not dangerous, it is just parents that don't want to talk about sex with their kids. What is dangerous is social media, which should be banned < 21.

Porn absolutely is dangerous if it becomes a habit. But just like binge-drinking and narcotics, parents and kids should have conversations and work together to build healthy ideas of sexuality. It shouldn't be a government decree thing, because that seemingly takes the responsibility off parents. But we all know a decree won't work, kids will find a way, so it will return to being the parents' problem.

This was actually what I was thinking, but sort of the other way around. We already have an age limit drinking, narcotics are more or less banned.

I don't know how the US handles this, but online gambling is a pretty good model for this. You need to be of a certain age, verified with a government ID (here in Denmark at least) and if you have a gambling problem, you can add yourself to a list the ensures that you're blocked on all gambling sites (and casinos).

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by GoofballJones »

theclansman wrote: post #182

Just the fact that pornography is being taken seriously as something that's dangerous for minors is a good thing really.

Is it? Is this a States thing? That in the United States that nudity and pornography is "dangerous", yet in other cultures throughout Europe, it's not taken as seriously, nor does it have this overall "dangerous" tag to it (generally speaking that is. Prudish people trying to impose their will on others can be a world-wide phenomenon).

And does this put a curb on explicit R rated movies that has nudity and acts of sex? Is it just the penetration shots that are "dangerous"? Also, it doesn't even touch on if ultra violent content strewn around, well, EVERYWHERE isn't "dangerous"? Where is the state bans on violence in movies and TV (they've already tried with video games)? But OMFG, if you dare to show a woman's breast, it's "dangerous".

Give me a break.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by throwaw12 »

sophacles wrote: post #423
padobson wrote: post #375

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Is there a mechanism for empowering a polity to protect minors from certain things the polity deems they're not ready for that doesn't rely on arbitrary rules?

How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

How about: dissolving all labor unions, schools and governments?

You do parenting and education yourself, protect yourself and your kids from any kind of harm outside. If you can't do it, just admit you are incompetent and don't force consequences of paying taxes on me

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Post by throwaway743 »

edgyquant wrote: post #485
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

Way to regurgitate a tired argument. Kids are addicted to porn before they’re old enough to drive these days and it’s messes them up for life (see: the incel movement.) Something has to be done about corporations that profit off of showing literal children hardcore porn. “Talking to your kids” doesn’t work when multinational corporations are incentivized to addict them for ad revenue.

Please take your nofap zealotry elsewhere.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Barrin92 »

abakker wrote: post #406
Barrin92 wrote: post #349

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>What's wrong with these people? someone told me once "Think of the US less like a secular Western European country and more like a very rich Iran" and that really does help to make sense of a lot of these decisions

ummm. Don't think of the US this way? Think of it as a complex representative government that is federated and representing a highly diverse population, unlike Iran, which is not exactly pro-immigration. Our government is at least partly reactive to our votes. Utah is very different from Colorado or California or Connecticut. So, no, nothing like rich Iran.

>Our government is at least partly reactive to our votes

So is Iran's. Keep in mind the country is a theocratic Republic that turned out this way because of a popular religious revolt against a secular absolutist monarch. That bottom up, democratic, religious zealotry is something you also have in the US but virtually nowhere in the developed world.

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Post by sh4rks »

ActorNightly wrote: post #290
sh4rks wrote: post #282

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In what world is sex-Ed comparable to hardcore pornography?

Who said anything about hardcore pornography? 2 people having consensual romantic sex is still porn. Nothing wrong with educating a kid how sex works by showing him/her a video of that. At some point later in the years, the kid will probably stumble onto some hardcore porn, but if you contextualize it properly, he/she will understand that its not how real relationships work. In the same way, its ok (and probably good…

> who said anything about hardcore pornography

Well the main article is about PornHub which is a hardcore pornography site, so...

I have no problem with sex-Ed for kids

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Post by Brendinooo »

scarface74 wrote: post #503
Brendinooo wrote: post #462

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We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

Yes and forcing people to show ID has really stopped underaged drinking and making drugs illegal have stopped people from smoking weed.

There's plenty of room between "unrestricted" and "stopped".

You're not arguing that "laws don't actually do anything", right?

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Post by George83728 »

JohnFen wrote: post #230
edgyquant wrote: post #178

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Pornography is already restricted for minors. All this law does it make that restriction apply to internet sites as well.

Well, that's not all the law does. It also strips anonymity and, therefore, privacy.

My beard is gray but the government requires me to show a valid state ID when buying booze, cigs and porno mags at the gas station. If that's not a violation of the Constitution, why should carding people on porno websites be different?

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Post by evandale »

Brendinooo wrote: post #462
sophacles wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about: If you don't want your kids to see it, that's on you. Either accept that you are a shitty parent who can't raise children to your satisfaction, or get better at parenting. Don't force consequences on me just because you are incompetent.

We don't apply this principle to something like peanut allergies. "If your kid touches a peanut, that's on you as a parent"? No, people recognized that peanuts are harmful enough to a certain segment of the population that it's worth making changes, even changes that might inconvenience others. Besides, I'm not sure why you think that parents are able to be 100% in control of things that their children see/eat/etc. S…

The consequence of exposing a kid with a peanut allergy to a peanut can be death. Watching hardcore porn won't kill a kid.
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