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Pence should invoke the 25th amendment and remove Trump from office. That would end this constitutional crisis. (Some Democrats are calling for an impeachment, which wouldn’t help.)
> (Some Democrats are calling for an impeachment, which wouldn’t help.) I think it would help tremendously. If nothing else, it's important for the history books.
It's the practical erosion of Free Speech. Liberal (small "l" liberal) democracy and liberal science thrives on members: 1. Being willing to admit they may be wrong 2. Having access to a diverse information diet But the past two decades have shown erosion of not only legal Free Speech, but practical free speech: * Whereas previously they were just ignored (or even rebutted), today employees, students, and professors…
I would heartily agree and go a bit further. Over the last three decades, news organizations have traded in their neutrality and integrity for political and "narrative" influence. It is exceedingly difficult to find information presented without some attempt to mislead. The short version: There are no more Walter Cronkites or Edward R. Murrows the nation trusts to present the news without filter or spin. That coupled…
I don't think there can be economically, without regulating (supply limiting) news media.
They were debatably on par with politicians. But increase the number of news outlets, and the importance of any anchor decreases.
Consequently, their ability to ask hard questions without losing access to their sources decreases.
Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…
> Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? There are. One sent me to this [1] resource earlier. I do not endorse this source, and have not manually verified their claims myself. If anyone else would like to check the source, that would be good, I intend to manually check their claims myself later, but don't have time now. [1] https://hereistheevidence.com/ Edit: I would ask anyone checking th…
Boy do I wish there was a place to discuss politics in a dispassionate way. I find these events fascinating from a historical and sociological point of view. It really is history in the making. HN is pretty good at this when it comes to other topics, when when it turns political, everyone pulls out their partisan membership card.
I know it's just anecdotal, but I think it's valuable to say that the loudest aren't a fully representative sample.
It is despicable how tepid the police response to armed rioters storming the Capitol has been compared to the response to BLM protests over the summer.
Do you have any evidence of armed rioters storming anything? The only video I have seen is people "armed" with flags, signs, banners, phones, and cameras. Has anyone been beaten to a pulp? Have buildings been looted, vandalized, or burned down yet? "BLM protests" gained a well deserved reputation before the police responses became aggressive. I don't recall the police doing much of anything until after they allowed "…
https://twitter.com/shomaristone/status/1346941715895250949
https://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/13469458353685012...
Also, WTF do you mean by any evidence of buildings being looted or vandalized? Have you stuck your head in sand or not seen the rioters destroying shit in the Capitol? Just look up any legitimate media source or anything on twitter from today. They also fucking placed pipe bombs and explosives in several locations.
How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?
I'm sure in this very long thread some folks believe that those items you list are symptoms of the problem and that the root causes are much more simple. That huge chunk (I'd estimate it at well into the tens of millions of US adults) feels disenfranchised (right now they literally feel that in way in that they believe their vote doesn't count, but also figuratively) because opportunity has been "taken" from them. Ta…
Now, with Dems in control, USCoC is back in the driver's seat:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/4/chamber-comm...
Move the boot factory to China and profit!
The difference between the police/military presence when people are protesting the death of unarmed civilians and this nonsense is glaring and very telling.
How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?
All goes back to Reagan's repeal of the Fairness Doctrine which gave rise to biased political based news coverage a la Fox News. Since then, political polarization has increased each year until we got to the point we're at where both sides see the other as dangerous and lacking legitimacy. It's a lose-lose downward spiral.
Reagan himself was an FBI informant and was involved with blacklisting so-called Communists way back when he was President of the Screen Actors Guild, during the McCarthy era. So any story that says "It all started on such and such a date" is completely arbitrary.
You can talk about Barry Goldwater. The National Review. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. There was already a strong conservative movement growing that got Reagan elected in the first place. Not to mention the October surprise conspiracy theory of his 1980 election.
The 1960s, the Vietnam War, the civil rights era, these had a huge impact socially, started political realignments, and caused much internal turmoil in the United States.
The Gingrich "Republican Revolution" occurred in 1994. Hillary Clinton claimed there was a vast right-wing conspiracy in 1995. Government shutdowns. Impeachment. Oklahoma City bombing. All of this occurred before Fox News even went on the air.
Will anyone acknowledge that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were radicalized before Fox News existed, not to mention before Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube?
Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…
Here's what I can say from where I sit as someone who did not vote in this election. For the sake of intellectual honesty, I'll post this on my main account. Strong odds it doesn't go well, but transparency is worth striving for. I have seen [3,4,5]quite a bit of evidence that there was at least some fraud taking place, and that the evidence of that fraud has been suppressed. Whether the fraud was enough to change re…
it's the people who are in charge and the politicians serve at their pleasure.