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Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by Shared404 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

> Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen?

There are. One sent me to this [1] resource earlier. I do not endorse this source, and have not manually verified their claims myself.

If anyone else would like to check the source, that would be good, I intend to manually check their claims myself later, but don't have time now.

[1] https://hereistheevidence.com/

Edit: I would ask anyone checking the source to not use the tool that the source provides, for obvious reasons.

Also, we should probably see if the datasets provided are available elsewhere.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by foobiekr » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

patagonia wrote: post #258

Politics maybe off topic, but this is partially our fault. It’s always frustrated me that politics are largely unaddressed on HN. Not talking about it doesn’t make it not so.

This. Facebook and the other social networks have spent a decade and a half curating echo chambers for insanity and this is the predictable result. It's been a long, slow buildup to this, not quite another McVeigh moment but not too far from it.

What will it take for tech people to acknowledge that, combined with the fake-drama-soaked media, they've built something socially corrosive?

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by tkzed49 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

polka_haunts_us wrote: post #245

I can't vote to unflag things, but this really, really should not be flagged. It is just a little more important than most political garbage.

On this website, we pretend that the entire world can be reduced to a good-faith discussion between two sides with equal merit. Anything that is incompatible with this is distasteful.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by 323454 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:42 PM UTC

Coup-o-meter is right on the line between "preparing for a coup" and "attempted coup" https://isthisacoup.com/

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

Listen to the tape of the Trump call to Georgia, or better yet this Georgia election official's point-by-point takedown of Trump's claims: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/04/us/politics/trump-georgia...

There simply is no reality based reason to believe that the election was stolen, certainly not in any consistently logical belief system (e.g. the 2016 Electoral College results were almost exactly the same in the opposite direction).

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by polka_haunts_us » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

codingprograms wrote: post #84

umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Nobody trusts the media. So people will believe what they want. There’s no source of truth

This is the answer, I don't have the source in front of me but I remember reading some surveys about American trust in institutions circa 2015 and people who identified as Republican trusted "Media" at a rate of 8%. I can't imagine that number particularly improved since then.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by themark » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

iso1631 wrote: post #266

themark wrote: post #257

Do they need to vote inside the Capitol in order for the process to move ahead?

Even if they didn't vote, Trump and Pence get fired at 12pm on Jan 20th, and Pelosi becomes president. The only way for Trump to remain president past 12pm Jan 20th is for the joint session to declare him president.

Makes sense. I am wondering about the protocol though.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by pstuart » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

hertzrat wrote: post #260

Trump is a bad and scary man, but one of the only good things he's done is post this tweet: "I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!"

A day late and a dollar short, considering that he agitated for this event in the first place.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by jonwachob91 » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

patagonia wrote: post #258

Politics maybe off topic, but this is partially our fault. It’s always frustrated me that politics are largely unaddressed on HN. Not talking about it doesn’t make it not so.

Plenty of political discussion happens on HN, but dang does a good job of removing the toxic comments and letting the civil comments remain.

Re: U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by polotics » Wed, Jan 06, 2021, 8:44 PM UTC

dboreham wrote: post #52

6a74 wrote: post #2

What do these protestors hope to accomplish?

Question worth asking. I'd suspect this is a huge tactical error because it forces mainstream politicians to pick a side between fascists and non fascists. Presumably most of them are going to pick the non side. This marginalizes the fascists which seems like a forced error.

It depends on how long a game is being played, this is more like 1923 Weimar Republic than 37...