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U.S. Capitol Locked Down Amid Escalating Protests

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Post by paganel »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #219
dhruvkar wrote: post #47

Are there people here on HN that believe the election was stolen? I haven't seen any evidence, most of the lawsuits haven't borne fruit either. However, I also recognize that there may be blindspots/biases. I'd really like to hear from anyone who believes this, to present a cogent argument. I promise not to attack. I want to hear the argument from the other side. I also beseech the rest of HN to please refrain from a…

Put simply, I don't know what to believe. As an IT security worker, I have absolutely no faith in the election since voting required the use of hackable electronic voting machines. We need to restore trust in the system. An idiot needs to be able to understand and audit it. Until that happens, there will always be people who think it's rigged, and politicians will always exploit that.

The 2000 elections were most probably stolen, but Al Gore played the safer card and accepted defeat. Since then I don't see how anyone can trust the process.

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Post by akiselev »

saul_goodman wrote: post #215
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Regardless of what view point you have, it's become painful to watch/consume news on either side if you don't subscribe to their same left/right view point as what is being presented. The MSM has overplayed its hand over the past several years to the point they've been written off by their opposing sides. So that forces a dividing line so you don't even bother looking at the opposing news sources, and when ever you d…

Please stop equating the "MSM" with the right wing propaganda machine like FOX. This hyperpolarization is happening in every country that has a sizable Murdoch media machine.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

CivBase wrote: post #166
6a74 wrote: post #2

What do these protestors hope to accomplish?

According to some of the more conspiratorial comments in this thread, a coup. The actual answer is probably that they do not believe the claims of election fraud have been sufficiently investigated. I'm sure they want a more thorough investigation to be held before the election results are officially recognized by congress. That and they're just angry people who have resorted to rioting - like how a toddler resorts t…

It's not conspiratorial! The president has stated, repeatedly and at length and to many different people, that he'd like to invalidate the election results and make himself the winner. This reflexive dismissal that he could mean what he says is coming very close to ending the country.

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Post by iso1631 »

themark wrote: post #257

Do they need to vote inside the Capitol in order for the process to move ahead?

Even if they didn't vote, Trump and Pence get fired at 12pm on Jan 20th, and Pelosi becomes president.

The only way for Trump to remain president past 12pm Jan 20th is for the joint session to declare him president.

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Post by ethbr0 »

saul_goodman wrote: post #215
umvi wrote: post #72

How did we arrive to this point where a huge chunk of the population is in one reality and another huge chunk of the population is in another reality? Segregation of information sources? Politicization of media outlets? Self-reinforcing social bubbles? A combination of all of them and more?

Regardless of what view point you have, it's become painful to watch/consume news on either side if you don't subscribe to their same left/right view point as what is being presented. The MSM has overplayed its hand over the past several years to the point they've been written off by their opposing sides. So that forces a dividing line so you don't even bother looking at the opposing news sources, and when ever you d…

After Trump was elected, I started checking Fox News regularly (my go-to's are the BBC and NPR). On the whole, I think it's been informative as to how others perceive the world. It was definitely interesting when their tone shifted on the election outcome.

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Post by Ancapistani »

hertzrat wrote: post #243
voisin wrote: post #10

I am shocked and horrified that it is taking so long to clear those who have breached the Capitol. There is more police efficiency and aggression in a run of the mill BLM protest. Edit: for example: https://twitter.com/RedR1dngHood/status/1346908557560537091

There is nothing those protestors would like more than a violent response. Imagine the social media response. The leadership is scared of sparking a bigger fire

> Imagine the social media response

No, this is a key difference between the sides of this issue. The people in DC aren’t looking for a response on social media - they’re looking for a response in real life, with arms if necessary. I think they may well get it this time, too.

The Left doesn’t seem to realize the table stakes are different with this.

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