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Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#851
I'm going to keep this simple. The ToS nonsense and other things are distractions. The entire argument for "dropping" is pretty much as disingenuous as it gets. They aren't just essentially arguing but LITERALLY arguing that CF should drop a legal site because they don't like that site and CF's services keep the site from being ILLEGALLY DDOS'd off of the internet entirely.

That IS the other side of this debate! "Stop protecting them from our illegal attacks!"

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#853

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Rule of law and due process are the best way of doing things, and are not exclusively American concepts.

Absolutely, but, Canadian law would absolutely allow illegally-collected evidence. The trial against the officer invading the defendant's privacy is a separate matter; the goal of a trial is to determine the truth of matters, after all, and if the defendant did kill someone, all evidence to support (or refute) that is generally admissible.

From what I can tell, Canada is somewhere in between complete exclusionary and inclusionary rules wrt illegally obtained evidence.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#854

I find the article hopeful for the future of free speech on the internet. Even though the ability to host content on the net is one thing and lacking access to most platforms (where the users actually are) like youtube, facebook, instagram, tiktok is another. The most important thing nowadays is access to the siloed user bases for people who try to express dissident opinions, not the access to the net as whole, even…

Regarding Cloudflare donating their service fees to an LGBTQ support org, that's some genuine D-grade advocacy. I feel bad for the ERG members who were put in the position of choosing that charity. If someone keeps starting fires on my property, I don't want you to donate to the local fireman's fund, I want you to stop giving that person matches.

It's carbon offsets for hate. And just like carbon credits, it's not really solving any problems. It's the minimum they could do that was literally not zero.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Who gets to decide what is "political", too.

Topics that cause disagreements not related to the job can be classified as personal and/or political. We should not take X as client, they are bad -> political We should not take X as client, my ex work there -> political We should not take X as client, they are unreliable with payments -> not political We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political

I use a gender neutral restroom, but our office has none. ... Political?

I use they/them pronouns, and I ask politely for others to use them... Political?

Cause I've been told that being a queer person is political. I don't think it is, it's just... Who I am.

People who say no politics at work generally have never had to think about how some identities are perceived as innately political.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#856

If this is in response to Kiwi Farms, I would say this is very disappointing. Love CloudFlare, think they are amazingly innovative, huge amount of respect for the people who work there. I see where they're coming from, but I don't see how KF is defensible whilst 8chan et al aren't.

It's a really tricky situation. On the one hand, websites like KF and the like are utterly reprehensible. On the other hand, Cloudflare taking it upon themselves to police the Internet is a nightmare in its own, given their bot-prevention services are effectively mandatory in order to even keep any sort of larger interactive website running. What is permitted to say is something for the courts, not for the whims of p…

It's really not that tricky. Few sites are peers of 8chan, kiwi farms, and the daily Stormer. When you become their peer, you have a serious discussion about whether you want them as customers with several people in the company, and you can choose "no".

They can absolutely drop kiwi farms and still be in the clear, ethically. It's not like kiwi farms is even remotely close to some sort of slippery slope. It's the goddamn burning trash pit on a FOB of internet sites.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#857

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Utilities are heavily regulated and mandated. If they're asking for the cake, they should have it whole.

What cake?? They're taking on the responsibilities voluntarily, with no benefits.

What responsibilities they are taking? So far, they try very hard not to follow their own AUP. That’s the opposite of being responsible.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#858

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The FBI, and increasingly police departments, have fairly large cyber forensics capabilities. If someone is doing something illegal, report it.

Do you actually think there is any chance they would investigate?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that the police will decline to investigate death threats and the like for political reasons?

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#859

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What cake?? They're taking on the responsibilities voluntarily, with no benefits.

What responsibilities they are taking? So far, they try very hard not to follow their own AUP. That’s the opposite of being responsible.

The responsibility of providing service like a utility.

Or we could call it a burden? Let's say burden instead, so the meaning is clearer.

It's definitely not cake. They're actively moving away from the cake.

> So far, they try very hard not to follow their own AUP.

Different services have different AUP. I don't see the issue.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

#860

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Do you actually think there is any chance they would investigate?

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you implying that the police will decline to investigate death threats and the like for political reasons?

I am implying that police don't care about internet death threats. As long as they're not against the president or something.
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