Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach • Hacker News Board

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by afiori » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:00 PM UTC

hooverd wrote: post #311

pjc50 wrote: post #261

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> - No tolerance to anything but work. If you sexually harrass someone, instantly fired. > - No woke HR training (no one watches it, yet no one has the courage to say anything about it) Given that a chunk of the HR training is about reminding people not to sexually harass, I'm not sure how you can achieve both of those? Especially when you don't have an HR department. Who's investigating the allegations? In practice…

Who gets to decide what is "political", too.

Topics that cause disagreements not related to the job can be classified as personal and/or political.

We should not take X as client, they are bad -> political

We should not take X as client, my ex work there -> political

We should not take X as client, they are unreliable with payments -> not political

We should not take X as client, clients W, Y, and Z will drop us -> not political

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by ta1235414335 » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

chc wrote: post #306

tlonny wrote: post #285

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What's your source on the SWAT-ing + death threats originating from Kiwi Farms? My understanding of that website is that it is moderated based on the philosophy of "look, don't touch". Your statement runs contrary to this...

They are the top suspects in the swatting of the Twitch streamer Keffals and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene just in the past month. There have been many news articles about it — I would suggest Googling and picking the source that seems most credible to you, since I've found linking specific sources tends to lead to people debating the source itself. (I'll be honest, I'm skeptical on the MTG one, but they are still the…

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by inquirerGeneral » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

FrecklySunbeam wrote: post #312

throwrqX wrote: post #295

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What evidence is there for the law enforcement apparatus not protecting transgender people in this particular case? Have their been similar cases for cisgender people where the law enforcement apparatus has cared more? I am not sure saying we need mob action to stop other mob action is a good long term solution.

Law enforcement is the tool being used to do the violence ffs, they’re not protecting anyone

Yeah make up your facts better.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by FrecklySunbeam » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

sieabahlpark wrote: post #343

FrecklySunbeam wrote: post #309

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Official statement from KF on Aug 26th: > What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys into castrating themselves and nobody is allowed to say anything about it. Wow very neutral site with no agenda here

Not anything I haven't read on Twitter about priests. Seriously, that's what everyone is upset about?

He’s talking about transgender people, not priests

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by nervlord » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

sascha_sl wrote: post #260

cowtools wrote: post #247

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The law describes DDoS attacks as a felony. The technology makes it such that it's infeasable to prevent DDoS attacks without a centralized entity like cloudflare.

But that still doesn't make Cloudflare the fire brigade. It is still their policy decision to value the freedom of speech of Kiwifarms more than the safety of those KF target, no matter how much they try to pretend they have an obligation to protect everyone that asks for it and are thus not at all partially responsible for enabling harassment - to the point of suicide in at least 3 cases. They don't have to protect…

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by FrecklySunbeam » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:02 PM UTC

squabbles wrote: post #330

FrecklySunbeam wrote: post #309

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Official statement from KF on Aug 26th: > What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys into castrating themselves and nobody is allowed to say anything about it. Wow very neutral site with no agenda here

Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge.

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by photochemsyn » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

creeble wrote: post #214

>We believe cyberattacks, in any form, should be relegated to the dustbin of history. Unless, of course, you are an _enabler_ of such attacks. This is where CF's hypocrisy shines through. instant-stresser.com str3ssed.co freestresser.co metastresser.com (dozens more) These are all sites hosted with CF DNS, who provide services that are literally the opposite of free speech -- they are in the business of _suppressing…

So, the claim is that Cloudflare is acting like the window glass shop that drums up business by running around smashing windows at night? That's quite the claim.

Here's a recent report on a DDoS-for-hire outfit that was criminally charged and convicted, related to downthem.org and ampnode.org

https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2022/06/ddos-for-hire...

Interestingly, the affidavit in that case does note that Cloudflare provided services for downthem.org and ampnode.org. However, this is a criminal indictment of the guilty party. I suppose the issue is, what kind of 'public reporting of criminal activity' is needed to provoke CF to drop services? In cases like this I also imagine CF cooperates with FBI investigations.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by Dracophoenix » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

phillipcarter wrote: post #127

throwayyy479087 wrote: post #35

Never thought I'd see the Left trying to weaponize corporations to suppress speech they dislike. Reminds me a LOT of Evangelicals in the 2000s - I know that comparison has been made frequently but that's the last group that made a serious censorship push. I wonder how all of this will end? I support CloudFlare here - they should act as a utility, not as an arbiter of content. This ends poorly and one day will bite th…

> I support ButtFlare here - they should act as a utility, not as an arbiter of content. So then advocate for them to actually be a utility. Right now they get to benefit from being treated like one, but not being held to the same legal standard of an actual utility.

Being a utility doesn't make them any less of a de facto arbiter or any better of a company. Utilities can suck too. And, worse, they do it with the political backing of the state.

Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by nervlord » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

squabbles wrote: post #330

FrecklySunbeam wrote: post #309

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Official statement from KF on Aug 26th: > What I fear more than losing my site, being sued, or dealing with police is living in a world where fat eunuchs can groom little boys into castrating themselves and nobody is allowed to say anything about it. Wow very neutral site with no agenda here

Keffals brags about sending hrt to minors without their parent's knowledge.

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Re: Cloudflare's abuse policies and approach

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Post by FrecklySunbeam » Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:03 PM UTC

inquirerGeneral wrote: post #353

FrecklySunbeam wrote: post #312

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Law enforcement is the tool being used to do the violence ffs, they’re not protecting anyone

Yeah make up your facts better.

so wacky so made up https://kotaku.com/keffals-clara-sorrenti-twitch-streamer-tr...