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Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by Valkhyr »

Brakenshire wrote: post #429
aidenn0 wrote: post #318

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But only if you order the kit, not if you get it preassembled I believe.

It’s not the end of the world, but not everyone who uses Linux enjoys tinkering, some just want solid out of the box support for Ubuntu, Fedora, etc.

Yep. I love Linux but hate having to futz around to get basic stuff working. I'm ready to mess with some things like display orientation on non-standard hardware like a GPD Pocket to some extent, since you can't really expect full out of the box support there, but when it comes to a proper laptop I'm averse to OS-level tinkering just to make stuff work (as opposed to tinkering in order to customize to my preferences).

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by fomine3 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #379
NikolaNovak wrote: post #253

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Yo (hand up). I mean. Really. That strikes me as willfully ignorant and arrogant. Clearly it's heavily used, especially in professional/corporate environments. FWIW I use WiFi if I have to on the move. But at home and office it's hard wire all the way. In the office it's not even an option, everybody must. At home, it's a quality of life thing. The speed drops and disconnections and unpredictability of WiFi are not t…

"Clearly it's heavily used, especially in professional/corporate environments." It's so clear that they removed it from their lineup? Clearly you're wrong. I have two Macbooks work/home, and a USB-C dock has been life changing in its awesomeness. And yes my dock has RJ-45 ;)

Kensington lock is widely used by enterprise (pro) but Apple won't support it. The "Pro" is just marketing comparing to "Air".

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lovelyviking »

yonaguska wrote: post #235
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. A good dock solves this- it's not mobile, but I find that I'm not really that productive when I'm travelling anyways. I only wish that docking solutions became standard offerings with the laptops that skimp on ports.

>A good dock solves this

It doesn't solve it. Look at my use-case https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26271855

>it's not mobile, but I find that I'm not really that productive when I'm travelling anyways.

Laptop is for real mobile usage. In a way you have no need for it according to your description.

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Post by nrp »

reasonabl_human wrote: post #740
nrp wrote: post #619

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This is correct. There’s nothing technical preventing us from offering a pre-built bring your own OS system, but we figured there’s high overlap between that audience and those who want to assemble a kit themselves. This reduces the amount of pre-built inventory we need to hold.

I get the business case of universal pre-built inventory, but offering a Linux version out of the box signals that all hardware is compatible and fully functional... supported at a first-party level. More and more developers in big tech companies using Linux just expect it to work and aren’t interested in monkeying around with drivers and configs.. not to say they can’t, but why increase friction for your dev setup?…

Great feedback. We will definitely at minimum post guides and compatibility test results for the most popular distros and ensure that at least Ubuntu LTS has a straightforward path to full hardware functionality.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lovelyviking »

sgustard wrote: post #251
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

> All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires It's a reasonable tradeoff. Imagine your laptop with the power supply built in instead of as an external brick.

>It's a reasonable tradeoff.

Saving 0.1% of space for micro-sd-card reader and having headache of dongle for every photo/video transfer? Doesn't appear reasonable at all. They have found space for micro-sd-card reader on raspberryPi Zero ... It's absurd not to have it even on the phone.

Look at my use-case https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26271855

> Imagine your laptop with the power supply built in instead of as an external brick.

You know what? Great! One thing less to care separately . It would be bad thermal solution though.

By the way the brick itself was coming with extension cord. Now it comes without it. Imagine during your travel squeezing it in some public place with bad socket to charge it when it doesn't fit well enough and could even fall and break and your life depend on your ability to charge it. Do it few times during few travels, then you will understand how "reasonable" was to even to remove the extended power cord from the brick.

Many things appear 'reasonable' on the paper until you use them in real life.

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by lovelyviking »

ogre_codes wrote: post #591
lovelyviking wrote: post #155

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>I think this proves that Apple was right to dump legacy ports. How it proves it? Those guys do not drop ports, they just make them modular. All the "saved space" in Apple laptops become amazingly wasted space in your bag with tons of adapters and wires. I still dream to meet the one who made such 'wise' decision to tell him what I think about it personally! >USB-C, and the correct cables, are all anyone needs. I am…

I must be doing something different from you. I have one adaptor on my desktop which lets me get display/ power/ USB A. It’s nice because it means removing the laptop means unplugging one thing. I don’t take any dongles with me. Or any adaptors. My laptop case is just a protective sleeve and sometimes I bring the power brick. It would be nice to have one USB-A port, and HDMI, but it’s not that big of a deal either.

>I must be doing something different from you.

You do. From my perspective you are barely use laptop as laptop for any serious work on the go.

Look at my use-case https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26271855

Re: The Framework Laptop

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Post by fock »

nrp wrote: post #183
samizdis wrote: post #103

Ars Technica has a sceptical but optimistic/hopeful take on it: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/framework-startup-de... Edit to add quote from Ars article: Framework is promising an awful lot in its very first product—"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" is a pretty tall order to live up to. We very much want to believe, but it's going to take a full Ars Technica teardown before we're c…

"thin as an XPS 13, repairable as a custom-built gaming PC" was not actually a direct quote from us, but it's nice that the folks at Ars think of our design that way!

so compared to a run-of-the-mill Lenovo/HP/Dell - where I still can get all parts 5 years after buying it - the innovation is that you have decoupled the I/O ports with your modules, which might reduce wear and failure there. Given that swapping the mainboard will probably just be as expensive for you as for the aforementioned devices (where some by Fujitsu even had standardized mainboards ;)) + you probably command a significant premium in the beginning: I really don't get the value/eco proposition except for reusing the frame/Display (the latter of which will eventually break as well). Do you at least plan to release schematics so people can try to understand failure modes of the actual things most of us without extensive resources can't repair today?

~ typed on a Lenovo T440s (4GB soldered RAM unfortunately): swapped the touchpad for the one from the 450s, replaced the fan, after it made noises, started with a tiny m.2-SATA, then upgraded to a spare SATA from the Desktop, updated the screen after it broke. Now the bottom shell has a dent in it (full backpack) but I think I'll let it pass. Still seems pretty repairable to me.

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Post by curtainsforus »

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #620
boogies wrote: post #604

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> uhh...tab tab tab tab tab Please take a minute to type the name of any of the browsers I named into your favourite search engine or package manager and return when you know what we’re talking about. (This comment was made via Pentadactyl). > The vast majority of all computer interaction is putting the cursor in the right place in the first place. This is why it pains me to use browsers where I can’t tap [count]gi t…

> This comment was made via Pentadactyl Enlighten us all. What exactly did you press and what mental decision and awareness process was required to do it starting from the front page? > [count]gi "[count]" sounds like one would need to know how many like things on the page precede the thing you're trying to get to. Thanks but no thanks. 150! Oops, 100! Oops, 130!

In Tridactyl, you just push f, which allocates each key on the keyboard to a visible link on the screen. So to reply to your comment, the keystrokes were

>fu (click 'reply') >ff (select textbox) >ESC (deselect textbox) >fg (click 'reply')

and a lot easier- not to mention, less RSI-inducing- than mucking around with a mouse, or trackpad, or trackpoint, trying to aim a little cursor at a little box multiple times in a row.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

bscphil wrote: post #849
easton wrote: post #813

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On 2015 or later MacBooks, you can adjust the force required for a click: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204352 (“Adjust trackpad settings”)

This is software adjustable? That's very impressive engineering. Unfortunately this a 2014 MBP.

AFAIK the button doesn't actually move, it's like the home button on some older iPhones (like the 7). It detects the pressure and has a haptic feedback to make it feel like a button. If you look at a powered off iphone 7, the button is just an indent on the otherwise fixed glass panel.
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