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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by fsloth » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 5:47 PM UTC

jupiter2 wrote: post #835

fsloth wrote: post #747

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People are different and have different constraints and optimization parameters. I'm not disagreeing with you as much as pointing out that not all people hold the same things as important as you do. In my context as a software engineer or as a private individual I didn't find your argument convincing from the point of view that it would expose any specific problems that are of my concern. If I was responsible for con…

It saddens me to hear you say this as a developer, a builder, an engineer of our technological future and infrastructure. It falls on Developers - moreso than any other group - to be aware of the dangers the work they perform produces and for whom their work benefits. They must all be aware of the abuses of our basic rights and human dignity modern Private Enterprise engage in. When these same Enterprises pull develo…

You make it sound like all developers were developing the equivalent of nuclear weapons.

The few hours of recreational computing I perform daily have no effect on how the world works. To imagine otherwise would be hubris verging on insanity.

The software I write at work cannot be used to invade anyone's privacy.

I see what your point is but totally fail to connect it to my personal daily reality.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by fl0wenol » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

asddubs wrote: post #783

creshal wrote: post #721

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Game developers no idea, application developers yes. TeamViewer and Softmaker Office are programs I ditched in frustration because their official Linux "ports" are the Windows versions bundled with a bugged WinE wrapper around them.

I think game developers are a bit of a unique case, because a large chunk of the linux gaming community is pretty hostile towards wine ports. There is no linux proprietary application community

> There is no linux proprietary application community

Except in CAD, academic tools, analytics, mod/sim, graphics, industrial automation... basically anything that used to run on Unix or might use a fortran library somewhere.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by _ea1k » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 6:00 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #682

thegenius2000 wrote: post #454

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This is so true I'm loathe to add to it. I dual boot my laptop b/w Windows and Linux because the WiFi network at my school has issues with Linux...so I'm forced to use Windows, also for games, but it's such a pain. Today it updated forcefully while I was trying to study; I tried to postpone the update but the option was grayed out. The Windows philosophy through and through is to treat users as ignorant and incompete…

I hope you only drive old cars, because newer cars aren't really designed to let the user change anything. You always need to take them to a specialist shop.

I have been hearing this for about 20 years now. It still isn't true.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by btym » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 6:38 PM UTC

tingol wrote: post #841

uxp wrote: post #282

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I'm not who you asked, but because I like to spend my day debugging my terrible code, not my desktop. Before you ask, yes I do have a Linux laptop (Acer C720P ChromeBook, unlocked with Debian + Gnome), and with all the sudden issues that pop out of seemingly nowhere (my latest dragon is a recurrent kernel module crash that can fill my disk up with .core files in 10 minutes), I've switched back to a 13" rMBP. Though,…

Measuring Linux maturity by chromebooks is silly though. It's a hack. Linux on bare metal works really well these days. Especially if you use a machine that has linux in mind (ie dell xps).

I briefly tried switching to Ubuntu on my desktop a few months ago after being unable to compile some CUDA project on Windows. Gave up after spending several hours trying to figure out why it refused to set one of my monitors to anything other than 1024x768. Linux is easily the best operating system for productivity, but there are still too many issues to make it as comfortable as OSX or Windows for everyday use.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by homero » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 6:59 PM UTC

ionised wrote: post #772

wfunction wrote: post #692

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What program was this...?

It uninstalled CPU-Z and a couple of other things for me during the first update.

Yeah it's my fucking computer, don't uninstall, don't restart, if I wanted an ipad I wouldn't buy a Lenovo desktop dicks. Then it made sure candy crush was installed. Wtf? This isn't a game, I have work to do Microsoft! I like monitoring my $300 i7 not play games on a $1k pc.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by manigandham » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 7:04 PM UTC

schappim wrote: post #522

manigandham wrote: post #478

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developers != mainstream App-stores require critical mass of mainstream users which Windows still has more of beyond anyone else. Developers follow the masses, not the other way around.

You say that, but we're the same a--holes who say to our family: "we'll only provide tech support for Apple devices"...

I dont follow how this is relevant to my comment...

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by bithush » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 7:18 PM UTC

Does anyone know if this will allow me to run GBD in tui mode on Windows?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by madmax96 » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 7:50 PM UTC

andor wrote: post #631

madmax96 wrote: post #608

As a FreeBSD user, this does nothing to attract me. I dislike GNU+Linux because it feels like a hacked together mess; now they're going to add that poorly designed system to an even worse system? Count me out.

If you weren't trolling, I'd suggest you to leave your bubble from time to time. There are pros and cons to everything, and finding the good parts is usually more productive. Just for fun, here's a version of your quote from another perspective: As a Linux user, FreeBSD does nothing to attract me. I dislike it because it feels like it's stuck in the 70's, with a mess of shell scripts for system and service management…

Firefox runs fine on FreeBSD, as does chromium.

That's your opinion, and your certainly entitled to it. I value simplicity, and IMHO it's easier for me to wrap my head around FreeBSD than Linux. I've used Linux of course, but I consistently find that it (the userland, system configurations) violates the rule of least surprise. If Linux works for you, certainly use it. Just realize a lot of us UNIX guys aren't thrilled about Linux, and aren't going to be thrilled about this subsystem because we have different values than the Linux community.

And by the way, FreeBSD's init system solves a lot of the same problems that systemd solves, albeit in a more transparent fashion. Zfs is also great. FreeBSD users have enjoyed containers now for quite some time, and didn't need Docker to do it.

Your remark about the supposed antiquity of FreeBSD reveals a fundamental ignorance of its technologies and principles.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by kayoone » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 8:00 PM UTC

osweiller wrote: post #780

kayoone wrote: post #678

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Only that all big Software or hardware companies do this... Apple keeps the doors closed to anything not in their full control, nvidia was pushing for open standards when they were the underdogs and now they have a lot of proprietary stuff, Google with Gtalk/Jabber etc etc. It's pretty ignorant to only paint MS that way imo. I also believe MS is a very different company today with a different strategy because they lo…

This thread and discussion is about Microsoft. Comments like yours -- these "cry for Microsoft...what about others!" are misdirected and totally out of context. But if we really need to be juvenile and discuss everything to discuss anything, Apple is a greedy, voracious company. They are never presented otherwise, and cynicism meets all of their activities. But it's open and honest, and Apple doesn't try to be who th…

I am a regular on HN and have a different impression, in that many people are much more critical towards MS while Apple/Google are generally the good guys. Apple is the savior of privacy while Google are the engineering wunderkinder. Even in the Xbox vs PS4 discussions MS is usually the bad privacy invading company in bed with NSA while Sony is the gamers best friend. To me it seems MS can do whatever they want, change as much as they want, they will never be "cool" while at the same time people gloss over Apples anti-competetive practices or Googles data collection obsession.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by Mafana0 » Thu, Mar 31, 2016, 8:51 PM UTC

qb45 wrote: post #671

Mafana0 wrote: post #445

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Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? Plus, Windows is still the leader in the desktop and laptop market until today. They are facing some tough competition but "not leader in given market" is not true.

> Could you name a single company that doesn't follow where the market is and try to monopolises it later? I think your argument actually supports parent's position, so this "plus" in the next sentence seems out of place :)

What I meant to say is that all companies try to follow where the market is. Microsoft isn't doing that just because they are losing their leadership in the market (which the OP claimed).