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Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

ajdlinux wrote: post #719
badminton1 wrote: post #687

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That same phenomenon sort of happens with WINE. Many software just suggests you: run it under WINE, so they just focus on Windows. Not that I am against WINE. I think it allows me to just ditch Windows entirely. I run StarCraft II on WINE 1.9 at a higher framerate than what Windows provides. That was probably the only reason I would use Windows for.

I doubt any game developer decides not to release a Linux version purely because "oh, Wine exists".

Game developers no idea, application developers yes. TeamViewer and Softmaker Office are programs I ditched in frustration because their official Linux "ports" are the Windows versions bundled with a bugged WinE wrapper around them.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by YokoZar »

badminton1 wrote: post #687
more_original wrote: post #667

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> 2. start gaining momentum (e.g. why should I use Linux, when on Windows I can run both Linux and Windows applications) Remember OS/2 2.x? It could run Windows 3.x binaries, including GUI programs. The result was that noone wrote programs for OS/2. Windows programs would run both on Windows and on OS/2, so why write another one for OS/2? Why should anyone port Linux programs to Windows now? Just write for Linux and…

That same phenomenon sort of happens with WINE. Many software just suggests you: run it under WINE, so they just focus on Windows. Not that I am against WINE. I think it allows me to just ditch Windows entirely. I run StarCraft II on WINE 1.9 at a higher framerate than what Windows provides. That was probably the only reason I would use Windows for.

It's not quite the case that using Wine is an alternative to porting. Sometimes the port itself simply bundles Wine. Some say that this "doesn't count", but when Wine works well users can't tell the difference between this and a port that required rewriting things.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by badminton1 »

broodbucket wrote: post #715
badminton1 wrote: post #687

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That same phenomenon sort of happens with WINE. Many software just suggests you: run it under WINE, so they just focus on Windows. Not that I am against WINE. I think it allows me to just ditch Windows entirely. I run StarCraft II on WINE 1.9 at a higher framerate than what Windows provides. That was probably the only reason I would use Windows for.

Out of curiousity, do you use wine-staging and the CSMT patches?

I use wine-staging yes.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

riotdash wrote: post #670
city41 wrote: post #588

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I think a key point that is being missed here is most of the people excited about this probably run OSX, not Linux. OSX has long been the "'Linux' for people who don't really want to run Linux" (not really meant as an insult, I'm typing this from OSX right now). Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here. FWIW, this excites me because it potentially means I can go from two machine…

"Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here." The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't f k their users in the ass. People always complain how Apple products are so expensive etc. but you know that's how they make money and they actually invest in to the privacy and security of their users (good example: the FBI case) I will happily keep on paying high price for the Apple…

> The big difference is that Apple actually doesn't fk their users in the ass.

Like with their SMB support? When, given the choice of complying with the GPL or re-writing an SMB client from scratch, Apple chose the latter and subjected users to utterly broken SMB support for several releases just so they did not have to open source their pitiful collection of patches?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

adrianN wrote: post #682
thegenius2000 wrote: post #454

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This is so true I'm loathe to add to it. I dual boot my laptop b/w Windows and Linux because the WiFi network at my school has issues with Linux...so I'm forced to use Windows, also for games, but it's such a pain. Today it updated forcefully while I was trying to study; I tried to postpone the update but the option was grayed out. The Windows philosophy through and through is to treat users as ignorant and incompete…

I hope you only drive old cars, because newer cars aren't really designed to let the user change anything. You always need to take them to a specialist shop.

And the specialist might have to take it to other specialists because the diagnostics and repair equipment is so outrageously proprietary and specific nowadays that only one shop per major city can afford it.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by fulafel »

ed_blackburn wrote: post #699
SXX wrote: post #477

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Once Microsoft stop charge users of Linux-based products for their patents or at least stop doing that shady way under NDA I'll believe it's not the same company. So far they get better in communication with open source community, but their business practices are all the same and Windows 10 only prove it.

I'm curious how many people actually factor this into any due diligence for selecting technology for a project? How much weight do you give it? If I were to advise against using Azure, Windows, .NET because of patents charges for some Linux products I'm not sure my colleagues or clients would take me seriously. Yes, there are lots of reasons why you may not select MS tech, but patents seems a personal, political reas…

An approximately shared set of values and/or (business-relevant) political aims is a great advantage in working together.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by creshal »

technomancy wrote: post #533
jupiter2 wrote: post #384

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Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

> I find it especially offensive that ex-open source and ex-Linux users The thing is, from an "open source" perspective, what they're doing is great and totally legit. From a free software perspective, it has a lot of potential to be suspicious and troubling. If all you care about is "the best technology; yay" rather than user freedoms, your concerns are moot.

> If all you care about is "the best technology; yay" rather than user freedoms, your concerns are moot.

Are they? When did Microsoft's EEE strategy benefit the user and lead to the best technology? IE6? JScript? ActiveX? J/Direct? MSN Messenger?

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by badminton1 »

city41 wrote: post #588
jupiter2 wrote: post #384

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Thank you for mentioning this! Really bothered by all the positive comments, especially coming from savvy HN users. Gave this a long look and my main beef is that I couldn't possibly do anything on a Windows Machine in its' current state. Linux isn't just about running apps - there's a philosophy behind the system. Users first! As long as Microsoft continues to disrespect the rights of users in regard to privacy, dat…

I think a key point that is being missed here is most of the people excited about this probably run OSX, not Linux. OSX has long been the "'Linux' for people who don't really want to run Linux" (not really meant as an insult, I'm typing this from OSX right now). Apple is just as proprietary, commercial and anti-competitive as Microsoft here. FWIW, this excites me because it potentially means I can go from two machine…

Apple has contributed to key open source projects such as LLVM and WebKit. They have also open sourced Swift.

They have identified the core of their business and they feel comfortable there. They get a 30% royalty for each App Store transaction, they make large profits selling iPhones and Macs. They monetize their software indirectly as a part of a larger end-to-end solution.

Microsoft during their monopolic era was much more beyond that, they were going for all.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by nekkoru »

badminton1 wrote: post #707

While I encourage people to embrace open source tools and libraries as much as possible, I also would like to issue a word of caution on feeling too comfortable targeting a proprietary environment such as Windows. Some people have compared Mac OS X and Windows because of their proprietary nature, but one key difference is that you don't run Mac OS X as a server operating system or on the cloud. While many people deve…

(...)one key difference is that you don't run Mac OS X as a server operating system or on the cloud.

http://www.apple.com/osx/server/

It's actually a pretty decent server environment.

Re: Ubuntu on Windows

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Post by badminton1 »

nekkoru wrote: post #729
badminton1 wrote: post #707

While I encourage people to embrace open source tools and libraries as much as possible, I also would like to issue a word of caution on feeling too comfortable targeting a proprietary environment such as Windows. Some people have compared Mac OS X and Windows because of their proprietary nature, but one key difference is that you don't run Mac OS X as a server operating system or on the cloud. While many people deve…

(...)one key difference is that you don't run Mac OS X as a server operating system or on the cloud. http://www.apple.com/osx/server/ It's actually a pretty decent server environment.

That's a valid point, but you cannot elastically provision 100 OS X servers machines on demand in the cloud.
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