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Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by traceroute66 »

bko wrote: post #710
latexr wrote: post #703

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? It does, yes. To use your own analogy, if one pays for an artisanal product and is served something out of a production line in a factory, that is fraud. > It's never explained You’re not paying attention, it is often explained. One huge reason is that it devalues the work of artists who are already struggling to make any money by using th…

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

> Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists?

Actually yes.

Ask any professional photographer what they think of the selfie generation.

Yes, you can argue "the best camera is the one you have with you".

But ultimatley it has devalued the value of the professional photographer.

I know photographers who, for example, spend their life swatting away phone camera users who turn up behind them at the spot where they've setup their camera etc. Its like, I've taken the time to find the spot, the angle, the light and you turn up and devalue all that....

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by andrepd »

bko wrote: post #691
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

Yeah there's literally no reason why anyone should be wary at the harmful effects of social media and of AI slop.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by cageface »

chaos_emergent wrote: post #540
qwery wrote: post #529

What can you even say about this stuff? It's another incremental improvement, good job Mark. These new video clips of yours are certainly something. I don't know how you do it. Round of applause for Mark! I will now review some of the standout clips. That alien thing in the water is horrifying. The background fish look pretty convincing, except for the really flamboyant one in the dark. I guess I should be impressed…

it's totally wild that your first response is shitting on flaws rather than having your jaw drop at machines producing coherent videos from text. This is _the worst that machines will ever be at this task_, and most of the improvements that need to be made are a matter of engineering ingenuity, which can be translated to research dollars.

The fact that this is the worst machines are at something doesn’t necessarily imply they will eventually get much better at it.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by danielbln »

jongjong wrote: post #832
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

Sadly, something I've realized is that, as the junk gets more abundant, most people's taste seems to get worse. It's not only because of AI, it was a pre-existing trend. Just look at music, books, movies (can't really call them films anymore). Humans are becoming as soulless as machines. The machines are shaping us in their image, human consciousness will be extinct long before humanity becomes extinct physically.

Is this a quote from Plato? Sure reads like something every single generation that aged out of the prime time has said.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by unconed »

bko wrote: post #691
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

It's just a technology. Much like you can still buy "hand made" shoes, there will be people that create curated hand made content. And if they use AI and you can't tell the difference, does it really matter? I really don't understand why there is so much negativity for a new technology. It's never explained, just taken as a fact and people bemoaning the new state of the world.

Never before has there been a technology that allows one to fake competency to this degree. This is occurring at a time when some people are bemoaning the general state of knowledge, the capacity for institutions to deliver on their goals and their mission, and the overall intelligence of the people supposedly in charge.

Along comes a tool that promises to take some of the hardest, most challenging tasks, like photorealistic art, or high quality code engineering, and replace them with slop.

Experts look at that slop and see garbage. Only people without experience, without a trained eye, without taste in code, will think it's great.

It represents a tyranny of juniors and entryists. Where "fake it until you make it" will never even reach the second part of that phrase.

The main thing that AI does, is make anything that comes out of it worthless. Infinite supply with nobody curating it.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by danielbln »

skywhopper wrote: post #656
heurist wrote: post #273

I've been saying for years that generated content is an impending tsunami that's going to drown out all real human voices online. The internet may become effectively unusable as a result for anything other than entertainment.

The only problem is that all the AI slop is not actually entertaining either.

Beware of sampling bias. Slop will always be slop.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by danielbln »

Animats wrote: post #96

Likely results: - Every script in Hollywood will now be submitted with a previs movie. - Manga to anime converters. - Online commercials for far more products.

Previsband storyboarding will benefit tremendously from this, though ultimately it will be usable for B-roll or second unit stuff. And then? We'll see if this tech levels out or up.

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by Eisenstein »

traceroute66 wrote: post #841
bko wrote: post #710

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did washing machine devalue the work of people washing by hand? Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? ATMs to bank tellers? Tractor to farmer? Car to horses? Again, it's technology. I guess I shouldn't have said I never heard an argument. I just never heard a good one that can't be applied to pretty much any other technology that came before.

> Did cameras devalue the work of portrait artists? Actually yes. Ask any professional photographer what they think of the selfie generation. Yes, you can argue "the best camera is the one you have with you". But ultimatley it has devalued the value of the professional photographer. I know photographers who, for example, spend their life swatting away phone camera users who turn up behind them at the spot where they'…

I don't understand. Why would people taking pictures for themselves devalue the work of a professional photographer?

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by lurking_swe »

baby wrote: post #757
reneberlin wrote: post #736

We humans are so excessively dependent on vision input and with entertaining through visuals, too. But more and more all those visuals become meaningless to me and it all just feels like fast-food-junk to me. As any pre-schooler will be able to produce anything (watch out parents) imaginable in seconds doesn't make it better to me or is of any real value. Ok, i needed to edit it again to add: maybe this IS the value…

Yeah I agree, I never understood the appeal of photography, it's so easy, you don't need to paint for hours to produce something original, you just need to buy a camera and click on a button. That's it. And people pay for that, I don't get it.

is it easy? i’m not a photographer but i enjoy taking pictures as a hobby. Your opinion baffles me haha. People always wonder why their iphone can’t shoot photos that look as good as the iphone camera reviews.

https://www.austinmann.com/trek/iphone-16-pro-camera-review-...

Understanding why your camera performs well in certain conditions and how to tweak the camera, is a mini-science all of its own. Also i think the reason photography is appreciated is because of composition.

Knowing where to position yourself, and at what moment, can make photographs turn out magical. Your eyes are processing millions of frames a second, but a photographer often gets just ONE chance to capture some scenes. Some people appreciate the “art” in that. :)

Here’s a thought experiment. Do you consider all wedding photographers to be of equal value? If not, why? Anyone can do it according to you. just click a button. Something to think about…

Re: Meta Movie Gen

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Post by martin82 »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #675
famahar wrote: post #672

I've kinda given up on the internet at this point. It's sad but comforting. My social networks are just my friends and I've started to get back into reading books and long form blogs. Don't want to be exposed to this endless slop. Every day it gets harder to find something that was so easy before. It's all being buried by endless content. I'm hoping some non AI generative content branch of the internet will be create…

I was thinking exactly that: a coalition of people who refuse to use AI, and who refuse to interact with or support others who do use AI. I actually work for Photography Life, and we have already committed to 100% AI free: no generative AI for articles and no gen AI for photos either. I also have a 100% AI-free commmitment on my YouTube channel. Procreate for iPad believes in no AI as well. But we need more supporter…

How do you protect your community from the inevitable arrival of trolls who try to blend in and poison your photo collections with AI generated ones, only so they can say "see? it's so good, they don't even notice!"
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