How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized • Hacker News Board

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by dotancohen » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:57 AM UTC

bigyabai wrote: post #496

dotancohen wrote: post #491

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By those HN guidelines, your shallow dismissal of my clear criticism is what is against the HN rules that you quote. So is your twisting of my words to a conclusion that I did not state.

Furthermore, if you're dragging out the HN guidlines, it clearly states that comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Your comment was neither thoughtful nor substantive. Further furthermore, that document states that Hacker News should not be used for political or ideological battle - yet that is all that we see in these Israel posts that happen here every few days. The top of that document states that most stories about politics are Off-Topic. Yet HN happily drags many non-tech discussions about Israel on for over a thousand comments, whereas discussions about similar situations are completely absent from HN.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by thrance » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 7:57 AM UTC

jameshilliard wrote: post #774

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #761

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It's always bizarre to hear this sort of doomsaying about what would befall israelis if they treated Palestinians as the equal humans they are: 'it's suicide to treat Palestinians as people'; 'innocent folks will be expelled from their land if we treat Palestinians as people'; "or worse, killed!' It's bizarre because all the horrible prophecies have already come true, or are coming true, only with the roles reversed:…

The last time Palestinians voted they quite literally elected Hamas terrorists[0], you're making it out as if making Jews a minority and Palestinians a majority in Israel wouldn't represent an existential threat to the Jewish population. There are zero Jews living under Palestinian rule(i.e Gaza and the West Bank Areas A/B), why do you think it would be any different if they were given majority voting rights in Israe…

After nearly a century of Israeli oppression and zero interest from the international community, them electing a terrorist organization is certainly understable, even if still not justified. The first step is to reassure Palestinians that their neighbors won't start mass-murdering them again, something Israel has currently no interest in doing.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 8:01 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #809

BrenBarn wrote: post #709

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International law forbids a lot of things Israel already does. If it respected international law it would withdraw to its internationally recognized borders.

Israel's internationally recognized borders are the borders of Mandatory Palestine. The 1948 borders were ceasefire lines - the fact that they were not internationally recognized borders was for decades the justification for cross-border attacks.

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Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by woooooo » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 8:13 AM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #771

swat535 wrote: post #688

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> They've neutered Iran and become the de facto regional security power How did they "neuter" Iran? Iran responded quickly and managed to heavily damage TelAviv and is now rushing to accelerate rebuilding their nuclear capabilities. If anything, the previous operation was a disaster, it allowed to regime to entrench itself even further in IRAN and regime change that they were hoping for didn't happen. I'm sure both I…

> How did they "neuter" Iran? Iran responded quickly and managed to heavily damage TelAviv Israel gained air superiority over Iran and successfully conducted military decapitation strikes. Iran sort of launched some half-assed rockets in Israel's direction. The only damage Israel has suffered is to its intelligence faculties in Iran. > the previous operation was a disaster, it allowed to regime to entrench itself eve…

The conflict was settling into a "war of the cities" scenario with both Israel and the US exhausting interceptors rapidly.

What happens when it turns into a contest of rocket production and absorption against a country with 10x the population and 20x the land area? Completely unwinnable for Israel. Iran doesn't need air superiority to fire rockets.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by archdang » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 8:45 AM UTC

boxerab wrote: post #743

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We see here an example of a useless idiot.

Point 1, nonsense: Allies fed Germans during WW2, the US fed Iraqis and Afghans during their wars and occupations. Point 2, nonsense: The Rafah crossing has been intermittently open, and Egypt has allowed aid in coordination with the UN. Israel has bombed the Rafah crossing multiple times since October 7th. Point 3, whataboutism. Sudan and Yemen are in the news in my circles weekly and there's care for all these horrible events.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by slimebot80 » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 9:06 AM UTC

dzhiurgis wrote: post #811

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

> killed tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands Article says 400 people died.

That's from starvation.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by belorn » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 9:22 AM UTC

estearum wrote: post #674

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #367

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> wild to me how many people here use the "it's war, bad things happen" to justify the situation The point is to distinguish this war from how others have been fought. A lot of accusations against the IDF's conduct have been baseless. Not wrong in that they're factually incorrect. Just wrong in that it's how everyone else fights wars when they go to war. This is different. America didn't trigger a famine in Iraq or A…

Not really. Very very early on we knew (verifiable objective fact) that Israel used very different math on combatant:civilian casualty ratios than coalition forces in OEF and OIF. This isn't "they're waging a more intense war and accidentally killing more people" -- it is that their actual decision framework was to authorize killings with several multiples higher ratios of civilian deaths than the US authorized in th…

The US military math for calculating combatant:civilian casualty ratios was, to quote:

every boy 15 and over killed in drone strikes now is automatically listed as an enemy combatant

This math is why the civilian casualty numbers from US military shows almost zero deaths for drone strikes.

The New York Times reported in the 29 May 2012 article Secret ‘Kill List’ Proves a Test of Obama’s Principles and Will:

    Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.*

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by DrScientist » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 9:32 AM UTC

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #591

Israel's response to Oct 7th has been a major blackpill. Their strategy was, I think, as bad as it could possibly be. In fact, it really seemed, and still seems, like no strategy at all -- they lashed out wildly and extremely destructively, without a clear picture of what the post-war Gaza Strip will look like. Hamas successfully baited Israel into a disproportionate response that killed tens of thousands, if not hun…

Sadly I think you are mistaken to paint it as an irrational Israel lashing out - that's too generous.

I think it's quite the opposite - there has been a very clear, cold, calculated strategy - which is to use the conflict as an cover for doing what some in the government have always wanted to do ( and been quite open about it ) - which is to create a greater Israel - drive out all Palestinians from the river to the sea ( Gaza and West Bank ), as well as push to the river in the north into Lebanon and take more of Syria.

Those in government understand the potential reputation loss - but see that as temporary and something that can be managed under the protection of the US, while viewing the gain of territory as permanent.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by bamboozled » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 9:41 AM UTC

teachrdan wrote: post #585

bamboozled wrote: post #523

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I feel like you could say Ukraine were backed into a corner, multiple times, they didn't resort to October 7 levels of horror either. In fact, there is not a single documented case where they have attacked civilians or civilian infrastructure. So while I'm not closed to the idea that Netanyahu is a bad man. I find it hard to rationalize the actions of the people who were "backed into a corner"?

> Ukraine were backed into a corner, multiple times, they didn't resort to October 7 levels of horror either While I personally condemn Hamas's tactics and don't recognize their political legitimacy, Ukraine has billions in modern military equipment, including tanks and fighter planes. They have conventional military options Palestinians could only dream of. Ukraine has also been supplied with intelligence, weapons a…

While I personally condemn Hamas's tactics and don't recognize their political legitimacy, Ukraine has billions in modern military equipment, including tanks and fighter planes. They have conventional military options Palestinians could only dream of.

It's funny because until they started winning, it was basically, "they're done in 3 days", now it's, oh they have billions in equipment etc.

Here's a question for you, why didn't Hamas have that? Why didn't the rest of the world send them more aid and weapons aid? Hmm strange.

Re: How Israeli actions caused famine in Gaza, visualized

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Post by bamboozled » Fri, Oct 03, 2025, 9:42 AM UTC

zimza wrote: post #772

bamboozled wrote: post #523

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I feel like you could say Ukraine were backed into a corner, multiple times, they didn't resort to October 7 levels of horror either. In fact, there is not a single documented case where they have attacked civilians or civilian infrastructure. So while I'm not closed to the idea that Netanyahu is a bad man. I find it hard to rationalize the actions of the people who were "backed into a corner"?

The civilians are not living and partying on Ukrainian land, next to an open air prison. Killing civilians is bad, killing soldiers invading your land is protected by international law. October 7 is a tragic grain of sand in an desert of horrors the palestinian people suffered for nearly a century.

"Open air prison"

If you were in an "open air prison" (silly term, but ok), would your next move be to raid a peace and love festival and slaughter kids ? Just wondering?